Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 I remember back in the last decade, when the Mets were last contending for the playoffs, I created a metric called NHOP. (Necessary Happy Outcome Percentage) The NHOP in effect combines the magic number with the number of games remaining, but unlike the magic number, it can go up or down but as with the magic number, the lower the number is, the better. For our purposes, of course, a "happy outcome" is either a Mets win or a Washington loss. As of right now, the Mets and Nationals have a combined 82 games remaining, and we need a happy outcome in 37 (the current magic number) of those games. The current NHOP is, therefore, 0.451 which means that if 45.1 per cent of the games go the right way, the Mets win the division. (Or at least, finish ahead of the Nationals which probably means the same thing.)I backtracked a bit, and this chart shows how the magic number, and the NHOP, have been changing over the last few weeks.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451
TransMonk Old-Timey Member Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 I welcome the return of this metric!
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 22, 2015 Author Posted August 22, 2015 The original NHOP thread. I hope it turns out better this time around!
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 22, 2015 Author Posted August 22, 2015 Mets and Nationals both win. Magic number drops by one, from 37 to 36. NHOP drops too, but only slightly, from .451 to .450. Any day the magic number drops is a good day!DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 Baseball Prospectus odds have improved a little bit. NL East title goes from 85.5% to 85.9%, which makes sense. We're a day closer to the end of the season, and the Nationals failed to gain any ground. The Wild Card odds also increased, from 0.2% to 0.3%. That seems a little counter-intuitive, since both the Cubs and Pirates won yesterday, so it should therefore be a little bit harder for the Mets to finish with a better record than one or both of those teams.It also occurred to me that the NHOP numbers above may not be as accurate as they should be. There aren't 80 combined games remaining, because the Mets and Nationals will be playing each other six times in September. That means that the number of games is actually 74, and the numbers will have to be adjusted accordingly. Those six games are also the reason why we shouldn't get overly optimistic yet, because they give the Nationals a real opportunity to turn things around. That's what happened in 2007. The Mets had a four-game series in Philadelphia that started on August 27, and another three-game series at Shea against the Phillies that started on September 14. If the Mets had just won one of those seven games, things would have been very different, but of course, the Phillies won all seven. Fortunately, the two remaining series against Washington are three weeks apart, so if the Mets have a cold streak or the Nationals have a hot streak, it will hopefully encompass only one of those series, but make no mistake, danger is still lurking. The Mets will be in Washington on September 7, 8, and 9. We'll have a better sense of the challenges ahead once that series has ended.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Benjamin Grimm wrote:It also occurred to me that the NHOP numbers above may not be as accurate as they should be. There aren't 80 combined games remaining, because the Mets and Nationals will be playing each other six times in September. That means that the number of games is actually 74, and the numbers will have to be adjusted accordingly. It's essentially like there are 80 games remaining -- 34 Nats game + 34 Mets games + 6 head-to-head match-ups, but those six games automatically count double so I don't think it'll change your odds. All it means is that there'll be six days which are guaranteed to wind up as either a 'Double-Happiness' or 'Double-Sadness' result with no possibility of splitting the baby.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 Another good, but not great, day. The Mets win today over the Rockies drops the magic number to 35, with 39 games to play. Because of the Nationals win, the NHOP drops only slightly, from .450 to .449. As the number of remaining games continues to drop, we should start seeing more fluctuation in the NHOP, for better or worse.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 25, 2015 Author Posted August 25, 2015 Since the Nationals were idle, and unable to counter with a win of their own, yesterday's Mets win has a bigger impact on the NHOP, which drops from 0.449 to 0.442. The magic number is now 34. The Mets have 38 games remaining and the Nationals have 39. Baseball Prospectus hasn't updated their odds yet this morning to reflect yesterday's games. I'll have to check in again later.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 25, 2015 Author Posted August 25, 2015 Baseball Prospectus odds update: Mets are now 88.2% to win the division, 0.2% to win one of the two wild card spots. Their chances of winning the World Series are at 9.2%. There are currently seven first-place teams (because of a tie in the AL East) and here are the World Series odds for all seven teams:Blue Jays 13.8%Dodgers 13.4%Astros 13.2%Cardinals 10.2%Royals 10.1%METS 9.2%Yankees 8.5%
Ceetar Grand Central Contributor Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Benjamin Grimm wrote:Baseball Prospectus odds update: Mets are now 88.2% to win the division, 0.2% to win one of the two wild card spots. Their chances of winning the World Series are at 9.2%. There are currently seven first-place teams (because of a tie in the AL East) and here are the World Series odds for all seven teams:Blue Jays 13.8%Dodgers 13.4%Astros 13.2%Cardinals 10.2%Royals 10.1%METS 9.2%Yankees 8.5%decent percent jump. A lot of that has to be Wright on the roster. #Captain.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 26, 2015 Author Posted August 26, 2015 Yesterday the Mets won and the Nationals kept pace. The division lead remains at 5.5 games, one day closer to the end of the season. Magic number drops from 34 to 33. NHOP drops from .442 to .440.Baseball Prospectus increases the Mets division odds slightly, up to 88.8 per cent. Wild card odds remain at 0.2 per cent. World Championship odds drop from 9.2 per cent to 8.8 per cent. Mets ranking among first-place teams:Dodgers 14.8%Astros 14.5%Blue Jays 14.4%Cardinals 10.4%Royals 10.0%METS 8.8%DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Author Posted August 27, 2015 Yesterday was a very good day in the quest for the division title. Mets beat the Phillies, Nationals lose to the Padres. The magic number drops from 33 to 31, and the NHOP drops from .440 to .425.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Author Posted August 27, 2015 Baseball Prospectus: Mets odds to win the division has jumped to 92.9%, wild card odds drop to 0.1%.Mets ranking among first-place teams, odds for winning World Series:Astros 15.5%Blue Jays 15.2%Dodgers 14.9%Cardinals 10.5%Royals 9.5%METS 9.2%
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Author Posted August 27, 2015 Oh, and the Mets are now guaranteed to wake up in first place on September 2. The goal, of course, is to push that to October 4.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 NHOP deserves wider exposure.
dgwphotography Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 the return of NHOP makes me nervous...
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 I love this stat. I don't remember it from the first time around.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 A goofy thought about being 6.5 games up.With just six games remaining between the two teams, the Nats now officially need help to win the division. Even if they were to run the table for the remainder of the season -- which by definition would mean we lose six times -- they still would need us to lose at least once more. Of course the fact that that's happening as I type pretty much makes this sentiment moot (as if it wasn't already).
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 No, it ain't moot until the last out, says d'Arnaud and Cespedes and Johnson.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 28, 2015 Author Posted August 28, 2015 The Mets and Nationals both won yesterday, which means that the NHOP has a more modest decline than it did the day before, dropping from .425 to .423. The magic number decreases from 31 to 30. The Mets can now be sure that they'll wake up on the morning of September 3 in first place. That date, by the way, is the next scheduled date when the Mets are off and the Nationals are not. Barring rainouts, of course, next Thursday the Nationals will be caught up with the Mets in the number of games played, but hopefully well behind them in the number of games won. It's at that point that the ".5" will disappear from the games behind column in the standings.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425August 2771-5664-626.530710.423
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425August 2771-5664-626.530710.423Here's another amazing thing about this Mets run -- over the past almost an entire month now --- there have been only three days (August 6, 8 and 19) when the Nats gained ground on the Mets (see chart, above -- "Mets Lead" column). The Nats haven't been able to gain as much as half a game on the Mets, now, in almost a week and a half.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 28, 2015 Author Posted August 28, 2015 Latest from Baseball Prospectus: Mets odds to win the NL East go from 92.9% to 93.1%. Odds for the wild card are 0.2%. Odds to win the World Series edge upwards a little, from 9.2% to 9.5%Odds to win World SeriesAstros 15.3%Dodgers 14.9%Blue Jays 14.6%Cardinals 10.7%Royals 9.8%METS 9.5%
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 29, 2015 Author Posted August 29, 2015 The Mets lost yesterday, but still on balance a good day, because the Nationals lost too, which reduces the magic number from 30 to 29, and the NHOP from .423 to .420. The Mets will be in first place when the sun rises on Friday, September 4.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425August 2771-5664-626.530710.423August 2871-5764-636.529690.420
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 I appreciate a fine new metric, but this thread keeps making me want pancakes.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Especially once President Trump kicks out all the immigrant workers and they're forced to re-name the place the [u:1zb2yxco]National[/u:1zb2yxco] House of Pancakes.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 29, 2015 Author Posted August 29, 2015 Today was our first bad day in a while. Mets lose, Nationals defeat that drooling simpleton Tom Koehler and the division lead drops back to 5.5 games. Magic number remains at 29, NHOP spikes from .420 to .433.A Mets win and a Washington loss on Sunday would undo today's setback. Let's make it happen!DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425August 2771-5664-626.530710.423August 2871-5764-636.529690.420August 2971-5865-635.529670.433
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 It's the drooling. What drives me crazy about Koehler is the drooling. You grew up in New Rochelle, man, act like somebody who's been let out of the house on occasion.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 31, 2015 Author Posted August 31, 2015 Sunday was a good day, in that the Mets won and dropped the magic number from 29 to 28, and the NHOP declined slightly from .433 to .431. Because the Nationals won, the Mets weren't able to reverse the setback of the previous day. But maybe they'll be able to do that tonight. The Mets will be hosting the Phillies and the Nationals will be in St. Louis to play the Cardinals.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425August 2771-5664-626.530710.423August 2871-5764-636.529690.420August 2971-5865-635.529670.433August 3072-5866-635.528650.431
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted August 31, 2015 Author Posted August 31, 2015 Baseball Prospectus odds update: Mets at 90.5 per cent to win the division, 0.3 per cent for the Wild Card, 9.2 per cent for the World Championship.Tragic Numbers: Phillies 12. Marlins 12. Braves 15. Nationals 28.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 Yesterday was a very good day, with the Mets winning and Washington losing, effectively reversing the setback that occurred on Saturday. The magic number drops from 28 to 26, and the NHOP makes its steepest decline of the year so far, dropping from .431 to .413, a season low.Also, the Mets are now guaranteed to be in first place when they arrive in Washington on Labor Day.DateMets RecordNationals RecordMets LeadMagic NumberGames RemainingNHOPAugust 356-5054-501571140.500August 457-5055-501561120.500August 558-5055-512541100.491August 658-5056-511.5541090.495August 759-5056-522.5521070.486August 859-5157-521.5521050.495August 959-5257-531.5511030.495August 1060-5258-531.5501010.495August 1161-5258-542.548990.485August 1262-5258-553.546970.474August 1363-5258-564.544950.463August 1463-5358-574.543930.462August 1563-5458-584.542910.462August 1663-5558-594.541890.461August 1763-5558-594.541890.461August 1864-5559-594.540870.460August 1964-5660-593.540850.471August 2064-5660-60439840.464August 2165-5660-61537820.451August 2266-5661-61536800.450August 2367-5662-61535780.449August 2468-5662-615.534770.442August 2569-5663-615.533750.440August 2670-5663-626.531730.425August 2771-5664-626.530710.423August 2871-5764-636.529690.420August 2971-5865-635.529670.433August 3072-5866-635.528650.431August 3173-5866-646.526630.413
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