Rule 5 Draft 2014

[Frayed Knot]

With the 14th overall pick, Mets snatch LHP Sean Gilmartin from Twins
Orioles then take RHP Logan Verrett from Mets with 28th

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Sounds like this Gilmartin is a fine Irish fellow, according to Some Guy On The Internet:

Sean Gilmartin - LHP from the Twins organization that was drafted in the 1st round in 2011. Came to the Twins in a trade with the Braves for Ryan Doumit. He has been almost exclusively a starter in his career but the Mets could use him as a swing-man/second lefty. Pitched in AAA all last year and held lefties to a line of .201/.219/.235, and he allowed just 5 extra base hits in 149 at bats. Here is a scouting report on Gilmartin from Tenth Inning Stretch, �Currently, he is ranked as the Braves� 10th best prospect for 2014 by Baseball America that also ranks his changeup as the best in the Braves� system and suggest that he has 4th starter upside.�

[Frayed Knot]

Sean Gilmartin - 24 y/o (25 in May), former 1st round pick (28th overall) of the Braves out of Fla St Univ in 2011.
6' 2" / 190; split 2014 between AA New Britain [7-3, 12 starts, 3.12, 1.28] and AAA Rochester [2-4 in 14 starts, 4.28, 1.32]

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

This guy has better numbers than Andrew Miller in 2015. WRITE IT DOWN

[Edgy MD]

Didn't expect the Mets to be active. They're going to have to bump somebody from the roster.

[Edgy MD]

Lync.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Didn't expect the Mets to be active. They're going to have to bump somebody from the roster.

I thought they were at 39?

oh right, Mayberry.

[Edgy MD]

Some tweetin' jerk just wrote wrote: Mets losing Cam Maron, Greg Peavey, Juan Gamboa and Randy Fontanez in Minor League phase of Rule 5.

OUCH!

[Edgy MD]

Baltimore took Logan Verrett.

Jerkweeds.

[Benjamin Grimm]

How often do Rule 5 players stay with the team that selected them? I remember years ago, they almost always got sent back before the season ended. I sense that that's not so much the case anymore.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: Baltimore took Logan Verrett. Jerkweeds.

Considering what they're trying to do over there... that seems a bit strange. I smell a return trip/flip.

[Edgy MD]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: How often do Rule 5 players stay with the team that selected them? I remember years ago, they almost always got sent back before the season ended. I sense that that's not so much the case anymore.

Probably more often than not, these days.

Guys taken in the minor-league portion almost always stay, I would guess.

[Benjamin Grimm]

So Verrett was the only one the Mets lost in the major-league portion, and the others (Maron, Peavey, etc.) went in the minor league portion. The rules are the same, though, right? Peavey has to stay on the Twins big-league roster all year, or be offered back to the Mets?

[Edgy MD]

No, I don't think so. It isn't particularly public, but the higher minor league teams have 40-man rosters also. After the major league phase of the draft, there's a AAA draft, for players who've been around for X amount of time and haven't reached the AAA 40-man roster, and then there's the AA phase, for players who've been around for X amount of time and haven't reached the AA 40-man roster. Players taken in these rounds only have to remain as high as the AAA and AA 25-man rosters, respectively.

That's my understanding, anyhow.

[Centerfield]

I didn't know there was a minor league Rule 5. How does that work? The players have to stay in the minors all year or they have to be returned?

"Wow, Peavey's looking great. We'd love to call him up to the show, but that would mean losing him."

On edit: Never mind. EXPLANATION RECEIVED!

[Frayed Knot]

From Sickel's website:

-- Sean Gilmartin, LHP, Twins:
Age 24, former Braves first round pick in 2011 out of Florida State who was traded to Minnesota last spring. Posted 3.71 ERA with 133/44 K/BB in 146 innings between Double-A and Triple-A this year. A classic finesse lefty, his heater is usually in the 80s and he survives by changing speeds and throwing strikes. He could stick as a fifth starter or relief option.


-- Logan Verrett, RHP, Mets:
Age 24, third round pick from Baylor in 2011, posted 4.33 ERA with 119/34 K/BB in 162 innings for Triple-A Las Vegas, with 188 hits allowed. Respected for his durability and control, Verrett has a complete fastball/slider/curve/arsenal but has never excited scouts with average/below velocity. Still, he survived the Las Vegas pinball machine with his career and confidence intact and could prove a useful long relief option for the Orioles.

[Ceetar]

I think the minor league guys are just gone.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: How often do Rule 5 players stay with the team that selected them? I remember years ago, they almost always got sent back before the season ended. I sense that that's not so much the case anymore. Probably more often than not, these days.

My feeling is that maybe they stick with their new team more often than they used to but I still think that carrying a Rule-5 guy on the ML roster the entire year without his original team having the option to snatch him back is still the exception rather than the norm.
Of course the teams that lost them don't always want them back (or circumstances change to where they have no place for him anymore) so other arrangements are sometimes made if choosing team wants to keep their new man but send him down during the year.

And, yes, the rules are different for the minor league phase but I'm not up on all the specifics.

[Vic Sage]

i think Sean will take Gee's spot in the bullpen as a long-man/spot-starter, while also serving as a 2nd LHP. Gee will go for a prospect.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

You'll never guess: Sean's into hunting, fishing, his truck, and country music.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Wow. He'll have a hard time fitting in with the other ballplayers.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: And, yes, the rules are different for the minor league phase but I'm not up on all the specifics.

Here's what I know: (Or think I know - no specific link found)
Players can be drafted from an organizations' double-A roster to another clubs' triple-A roster and also from an A-roster to an AA-roster.
Players who are drafted in the minor league portion of the draft are not required to remain on the roster of the club which drafts them and are not subject to being returned to their original club.
Players drafted to a AAA or AA club should be offered an opportunity to remain at that level during spring training, but it is not required. There is no provision for players being returned to their previous organizations. In return for the player,the original club receives the following cash considerations: Triple-A Draft $12,500 Double-A Draft $ 5,000.

Any other rules?

Later

[Frayed Knot]

FWIW, BA divides the chances of the 14 players taken in the Rule 5 draft sticking with their new teams into one of four categories:
50/50 - 4 players
Low - 8 players, including Gilmartin
Very Low - 1 player (Verrett)
Extremely Low - 1 player

So from a NYM point of view we may just end up with the same dance card we started with here, and that they still consider the odds
of a drafted player becoming a full-time member of the new team to be the exception rather than the rule

[Benjamin Grimm]

Unless I'm forgetting someone, the only Rule 5 player I can think of who the Mets managed to keep was Pedro Beato, and the only one they permanently lost was Jesus Flores.

[Edgy MD]

I'm sure there are several more. I know Eric Valent was one. A rare Rule 5 draftee with MLB experience, he.

Lenny DiNardo was another Rule 5ee that the team lost outright when he spent a full season on the Red Sox roster.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Is DiNardo the one the Red Sox claimed was on the disabled list for most of the season with blisters or something as a way to keep him and his Rule 5 status?

[Edgy MD]

I don't know how fabricated his injuries were or weren't, but yeah, he did spend most of the season on the DL. He threw 27 innings over 22 games, with no decisions on his ledger. Got a World Series Ring for his trouble, though.

[smg58]

Gilmartin wasn't grabbed to be a starter. Those lefty splits could play at this level. Given the absurd amounts of money thrown at relievers this offseason, I like this pickup a lot.

I'm not sure why our farm system is so worth raiding, but I bet/hope we get most of those guys back.

[Edgy MD]

I'm guessing the Mets' farm system is worth raiding because they've been doing a good job stockpiling a lot of talent.

[Frayed Knot]

smg58 wrote: I'm not sure why our farm system is so worth raiding, but I bet/hope we get most of those guys back.

Sometimes how many players get selected in a given year is less a statement about the overall strength of the system being plucked than it is how many fall into the eligible category at one time -- although in this case I think we're going to see many of the gurus who rank these things putting the NYM system in their top 10 this winter and quite possibly in the top 5 so it's probably a matter of both.