Jon Niese, Bridge Burner

[Edgy MD]

"Go @$#% yourself, Terry."

[Guest cooby]

Childish

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Hey why give Rube the hits on a scoop he didn't scoop.

Harper with the exclusive in the Snooze: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/harper-jon-niese-arm-temper-mets-thinking-trade-article-1.2009086

[Ceetar]

Sounds to me like a simple case of heated tempers and that Collins understands as "He's been there"

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Telling Terry to go eff himself is probably not a big deal, but ignoring his command to lay down the sacky is, I would think.

[Guest cooby]

My thoughts too, but doing both in one game is too much. Actually any batter that defies the bunt sign is bad enough let alone a pitcher.

Shoulda taken him out

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Telling Terry to go eff himself is probably not a big deal, but ignoring his command to lay down the sacky is, I would think.

oh, yeah.

I happen to agree with Jon as per that strategy though.

Also, besides deGrom Niese is their best hitting pitcher, drew more walks than the rest of the staff combined, and has been at least passable with the bat in his career.

Otherwise the Mets pitchers as a group are a perfect poster child for DH in the NL and Terry's "play the right way" isn't working.

[MFS62]

I have questioned Niese's heart, and intimated that he may also lack two another significant anatomical parts.
But now is the first time I question his head.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Thing is, heated tempers in the crucible of competition is one thing, but in your last start of the season, you'd figure to be working with some perspective.

[Guest cooby]

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Telling Terry to go eff himself is probably not a big deal, but ignoring his command to lay down the sacky is, I would think. oh, yeah. I happen to agree with Jon as per that strategy though. Also, besides deGrom Niese is their best hitting pitcher, drew more walks than the rest of the staff combined, and has been at least passable with the bat in his career. Otherwise the Mets pitchers as a group are a perfect poster child for DH in the NL and Terry's "play the right way" isn't working.

Coach is still the boss

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I'm not sure what "Terry's 'play the right way'" is. (A reference to "Just play the game right" as reported in the News article, i guess.) Openly dismissing a marching order and going your own way is going to get you in trouble, no matter who your skipper is. I would imagine that's the right way in every dugout.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

I spent one Triple-A game in a photo bin that was essentially part of the dugout. The only time since then that I've heard more profanity is when I checked out Kid Rock's "Devil" CD last month.

So I suspect this kind of thing happens a lot. Remember the infamous interview of Tommy Lasorda describing the Kingman homer?

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure what "Terry's 'play the right way'" is. (A reference to "Just play the game right" as reported in the News article, i guess.) Openly dismissing a marching order and going your own way is going to get you in trouble, no matter who your skipper is. I would imagine that's the right way in every dugout.

well, unless you get the hit.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Why remember it? Let's relive it!

[youtube:31wqakvc]LIwrYH6Urbs[/youtube:31wqakvc]

[Guest d'Kong76]

Kong! Jesus Christ! lol

[seawolf17]

That's one of my favorite pieces of baseball arcana.

[Guest d'Kong76]

From the other side of the coin, I wonder how many in
others in the dugout would like to tell Skip to go funk hisself?
Would love to see the video tape.

[RealityChuck]

Wow, a baseball player gets pissed off at his manager and swears at him. This is certainly the first time this had happened, and I'm sure Terry will need years of therapy to get over hearing such an offensive word, especially since he undoubtedly never heard anyone use it before, or ever had a player curse at him. This will probably scar him for life! Or longer!

Why on Earth is this news?

[HahnSolo]

RealityChuck wrote: Wow, a baseball player gets pissed off at his manager and swears at him. This is certainly the first time this had happened, and I'm sure Terry will need years of therapy to get over hearing such an offensive word, especially since he undoubtedly never heard anyone use it before, or ever had a player curse at him. This will probably scar him for life! Or longer! Why on Earth is this news?

We've seen stuff like this before...someone from the team leaked this "story" to Harper. Why, who knows? But it leaves the appearance that someone in the organization wanted to smear Niese, whether that was the intention or not.

[Ceetar]

HahnSolo wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Wow, a baseball player gets pissed off at his manager and swears at him. This is certainly the first time this had happened, and I'm sure Terry will need years of therapy to get over hearing such an offensive word, especially since he undoubtedly never heard anyone use it before, or ever had a player curse at him. This will probably scar him for life! Or longer! Why on Earth is this news? We've seen stuff like this before...someone from the team leaked this "story" to Harper. Why, who knows? But it leaves the appearance that someone in the organization wanted to smear Niese, whether that was the intention or not.

Harper wrote it to have that appearance.

All he references are "players and coaches who were in the dugout" He could be referencing stuff he overheard in the clubhouse that day. Or he could've asked someone "What did Terry say to Jon there?" No one spoke out against Niese.

But yes, we see this every offseason. Not just with the Mets.

[Edgy MD]

I hear you, Hahn, but it's "multiple sources," including "players and coaches." If this was really a whispering campaign from on high to grease the PR skids for a Niese trade, it would be more than silly. I mean, who is going to rend their garments over a Niese trade when everybody knows they have an overfull plate of starting pitching? This isn't R.A. Dickey coming off a Cy Young-winning season.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

I don't know if it would make sense for someone from the team to leak something in advance of a trade. Would it hurt his value? Then again, there are a lot of players who are jerks -- Reggie! -- and no one cares as long as they produce.

[Gwreck]

Another offseason of smearing our players. Remember that RA Dickey, Cy Young Award winner, was too ego-centric? Remember Justin Turner didn't hustle enough?

Maybe the Mets will finally get wise to the fact that this sort of childish tactic only makes the fans dislike the organization more. As if such a thing were possible.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: Another offseason of smearing our players. Remember that RA Dickey, Cy Young Award winner, was too ego-centric? Remember Justin Turner didn't hustle enough? Maybe the Mets will finally get wise to the fact that this sort of childish tactic only makes the fans dislike the organization more. As if such a thing were possible.

And what? stop speaking to the media? ban all coaches, players and executives from speaking?

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I'm far away from seeing a tactic.

[G-Fafif]

Terry Collins says it isn't so.

When asked about the Daily News report (which GM Sandy Alderson also addressed on Thursday), here's what he had to say about Niese shouting an expletive-filled phrase on the bench: "That's not true. Jon Niese and I have an argument every time he pitches, whether he should come out or stay in. What was said, it's not true. There would have been a major issue had that been said. I don't know where that came from. ... In two months, a lot of things can be changed. The next day, the facts are out there. You can call Jon Niese and he will also tell you he didn't say that. If he had, there would have been an issue on the bench." But was there a confrontation about Niese swinging away instead of bunting, as he was told to do? Collins confirmed it. "He was mad, yeah, I told him to get the bunt down," Collins said. "As you'd expect, [Niese said] 'I'm trying to get the [expletive] bunt down.' Yeah, there were some words." Collins later added that after the game, he told Niese, "We're done, right? This is over." The pitcher said, "Absolutely," and told Collins he was planning on coming to talk to the manager anyway. "No player in my 40 years has ever said that to me," he said, before adding, "to my face."

[Edgy MD]

"To my forehead, maybe. Some have said it to the top of my scalp. I'm pretty sure Jon Rauch said it once to the wall behind me, but never to my face."

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Why remember it? Let's relive it! [youtube]LIwrYH6Urbs[/youtube]

Oh fuck, laughing hard here , Jesus Christ , just the way he even says that ....

[Guest d'Kong76]

He's pretty entertaining. Never really liked him, but
it's hard to find hat for him.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: "To my forehead, maybe. Some have said it to the top of my scalp. I'm pretty sure Jon Rauch said it once to the wall behind me, but never to my face."

real big lol