Marvel-ing at the Future

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange? Jackie Robinson as T'Challa? Civil War, Ragnarok, AND the Infinity Gauntlet... in the next five years? All this business looks really exciting and/or potentially terrible, doesn't it?

But man alive, between the Spader creepiness and the Pinocchio song, that's a good Avengers 2 trailer, innit?

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[Edgy MD]

Didney synergy is what that is.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

[Elongates fingers using cosmic-ray-endowed powers]
[stretches fingers to plug ears]

[Ceetar]

I'm excited, particularly by the Civil War stuff, which I was hoping for years ago.

I'm about 4 movies behind on the Marvel stuff though, need to catch up. Wonder if they're on Amazon Prime..

[RealityChuck]

It's risky. If a movie flops, it can cause a chain reaction of flops.

Also, there's the risk that the entire superhero genre becomes oversaturated.

[Vic Sage]

RealityChuck wrote: It's risky. If a movie flops, it can cause a chain reaction of flops. Also, there's the risk that the entire superhero genre becomes oversaturated.

It's not risky at all. They're not making the films simultaneously; its a planned schedule. Just because they announced those films doesn't mean they have to make them. If the genre starts to tank, they can just stop.

As for the slate itself: Cumberbatch is a perfect choice for Dr. Strange, but i'm not excited about the guy who played Jackie Robinson being cast as Black Panther. He was nothing special. I was hoping they'd go with Chiwetel Ejiofor. As for Ms. (Captain) Marvel, the only Captain Marvel i ever cared about was a Kree warrior who died of cancer. I don't who this chick is. That being said, If they cast Katee Sachoff, i'm in. As for an Infinity War movie, the only issue for me is who they get to play Adam Warlock, one of my all-time faves and a key figure in the cosmic corner of the marvel universe. A golden god grown in a cocoon, the height of physical perfection, Warlock is a messianic figure with a vampiric soul jem on his forehead that has a will of its own, and he's the hero who finally vanquished Thanos. I'm thinking Alexander Skarsgård.

I'm also excited about an Inhumans movie; they've always been some of my favorite characters... the royal family includes a shapely broad with flaming red hair that's ALIVE! I mean, its all my fetishes rolled into one. And Black Bolt is one of the great figures in Marvel history. Regal and silent, forever holding back a power that can shatter the world, forever holding back a mad brother who wants to conquer the world. Who would i cast? I'm not sure yet. I have to think about this one. Maybe, since the character is mute, you could go with a big body, like a Randy Orton, who has film experience and would look great in the suit and doesn't have to speak any lines.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

It's risky. If a movie flops, it can cause a chain reaction of flops. Also, there's the risk that the entire superhero genre becomes oversaturated. It's not risky at all. They're not making the films simultaneously; its a planned schedule. Just because they announced those films doesn't mean they have to make them. If the genre starts to tank, they can just stop. As for the slate itself: Cumberbatch is a perfect choice for Dr. Strange, but i'm not excited about the guy who played Jackie Robinson being cast as Black Panther. He was nothing special. I was hoping they'd go with Chiwetel Ejiofor.

LWFS/VS similarity score: 99.9999999% (If he weren't locked into Heimdall, Idris Elba would certainly have worked here, too.)

As for Ms. (Captain) Marvel, the only Captain Marvel i ever cared about was a Kree warrior who died of cancer. I don't who this chick is. That being said, If they cast Katee Sachoff, i'm in.

You know who this is. It's Carol Danvers, the former Ms. Marvel. The source of X-Man Rogue's powers/initial existential crisis.

As for an Infinity War movie, the only issue for me is who they get to play Adam Warlock, one of my all-time faves and a key figure in the cosmic corner of the marvel universe. A golden god grown in a cocoon, the height of physical perfection, Warlock is a messianic figure with a vampiric soul jem on his forehead that has a will of its own, and he's the hero who finally vanquished Thanos. I'm thinking Alexander Skarsgård.

Okay. Okay.

Lee Pace would've been interesting here, if not for his Ronan the Accuser gig. Or maybe something leaner, like an Ewan MacGregor or Cillian Murphy?

I'm also excited about an Inhumans movie; they've always been some of my favorite characters... the royal family includes a shapely broad with flaming red hair that's ALIVE! I mean, its all my fetishes rolled into one. And Black Bolt is one of the great figures in Marvel history. Regal and silent, forever holding back a power that can shatter the world, forever holding back a mad brother who wants to conquer the world. Who would i cast? I'm not sure yet. I have to think about this one. Maybe, since the character is mute, you could go with a big body, like a Randy Orton, who has film experience and would look great in the suit and doesn't have to speak any lines.

So, so excited about the Inhumans. But I think Doctor Strange might be the one I'm looking forward to the most... such a sneaky-pregnant vein, story-wise. And with Cumberbatch. Cumberbatch! Doing, like, "Into Shamballa," or taking on Dormammu. GAH.

[RealityChuck]

It's risky. If a movie flops, it can cause a chain reaction of flops. Also, there's the risk that the entire superhero genre becomes oversaturated. It's not risky at all. They're not making the films simultaneously; its a planned schedule. Just because they announced those films doesn't mean they have to make them. If the genre starts to tank, they can just stop. .

But if a film tanks, it's gonna tank big, and that's going to effect anything that is in production. Remember, these take years to make; if film A tanks, films B and C are in production. Do you keep on track? Do you call it a loss and stop?

The latter seems very unlikely: Marvel depends on these films to make profits. No one will be thinking sunk costs. So they continue with B and C, hoping the A was a fluke. If B flops, then do you complete C and continue on D? Maybe C will be a blockbuster . . .

If the genre has run its course, then billions could be lost. It already growing very tired from a storytelling point of view. There hasn't been an original superhero film since . . . Burton's Batman, maybe. Maybe even Superman vs. the Mole Men. It's always the same story: eeeeeevillll villain shows up and goes head to head with the hero(s) in hours of fight scenes (which always bore me).

The genre is an artistic dead end, and eventually, Marvel is going to hit the brick wall at the end of it. The only question is whether they can hit the brakes before they crash into it.

[Edgy MD]

If a film tanks, they subtly distance themselves from the role of the film in the larger continuity, as they did with Hulk. I have little doubt that Guardians was positioned in exactly that way --- to zig towards within the greater universe if it succeeded, or to zag away from if it failed.

The whole deck, of course, gets re-shuffled if they successfully acquire Spider-Man or The Fantastic Four or X-Men.

[Vic Sage]

You know who this is. It's Carol Danvers, the former Ms. Marvel. The source of X-Man Rogue's powers/initial existential crisis.

Yes, i literally know who she is, i just don't KNOW-know, you know? She has no emotional identity for me; she came along too late for me to care. I mean, i remember her popping up in Captain Marvel in the 60s, and then getting her own series as "Ms. Marvel" in the 70s, but that book was pretty lame. Later, she got raped in an Avengers story, crossed over with the X-Men, and then became different characters (like Binary and Warhawk) in more recent decades. Now she has been reclaimed as "Captain Marvel". Well, I knew Captain Marvel. I read Captain Marvel. And, sir, I say that this Danvers broad is no Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel is dead. Sure, she may be a woman with Kree powers, but she can bugger off, for all i care.

[Edgy MD]

Sony and Marvel strike a deal to bring Spider-Dude into the Marvel Cinematic Uni., with a Spider-Man film produced by Kevin Feige for Sony, among other crossovers.

Maybe he'll end up in Star Wars.

[dgwphotography]

This announcement means a couple things:
[list:3qtame7r][*:3qtame7r]Spider-Man will probably show up in the Infinity War with an Avengers tie-in in his movie [/*:m:3qtame7r]
[*:3qtame7r]The Thor 3, Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Inhumans movies are all moving back a slot to make room for Spider-Man: [/*:m:3qtame7r][/list:u:3qtame7r]

2015:
May 1: Avengers: Age of Ultron
July 17: Ant-Man

2016:
May 6: Captain America: Civil War
November 4: Doctor Strange

2017:
May 5: Guardians of the Galaxy 2
July 28: Marvel Studios co-produced Spider-Man film (Sony, new addition)
November 3: Thor: Ragnarok (new date)

2018:
May 4: Avengers: Infinity War, Part 1
July 6: Black Panther (new date)
November 2: Captain Marvel (new date)

2019:
May 3: Avengers: Infinity War, Part 2
July 12, 2019: Inhumans (new date)

[Ceetar]

please tell me said Spider-Man movie won't be another reboot. Tired of seeing the origin story.

[Edgy MD]

It is unknown as yet whether it'll be a re-boot. (My guess is no.) It is known that it won't be Andrew Garfield performing the role.

Ceetar wrote: Tired of seeing the origin story.

First world problems.

[dgwphotography]

There's also rumors of Spidey showing up in Captain America: Civil War

[Vic Sage]

CIVIL WAR makes more sense for SPIDER-MAN than INFINITY WAR. He is not particularly relevant to that storyline, and is in no way a "cosmic" character. He's a street-level crimefighter.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Vic Sage wrote: CIVIL WAR makes more sense for SPIDER-MAN than INFINITY WAR. He is not particularly relevant to that storyline, and is in no way a "cosmic" character. He's a street-level crimefighter.

He wouldn't make a bad street-level audience window-- a la Cap in the first Avengers movie-- for certain cosmic events, though, wouldn't he? That said, he's also pretty instrumental in Civil War.

My worry about a Spidey movie is that at this Spidery-saturated point in cinematic history, it would take a very inventive, top-flight creative sort/sorts to wring something new out of the Spidey origin (or any other early-ish, big-tent-suitable story, such as death-of-Gwen)... and it's just those sorts that would likely want nothing to do with such a Spidey retelling, no?

[metsmarathon]

aren't we at the point with a lot of our superheroes where we don't need to do another origin story, and can just get right into the action. especially with spidey.

he's a kid who gets bit by a spider and decides to go around fighting crime and stuff. if you really need to set him up, you can take 5 minutes before the title credits come on. or, better yet, TITLE MONTAGE!!!!

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's what I was thinking too; just retell the origin in a montage. As classic as Spidey's origin is, it doesn't need to be told on the big screen for a third time in 15 years. You'd have to not only have the radioactive spider bite, but you'd also have to establish the relationship with Uncle Ben, and Ben's murder, and Peter's discovery of how his powers work.

Or he can start with a "My name is Peter Parker" thing like they do in each episode of Arrow and Flash.

[nymr83]

agreed 110%... no more origin stories! especially for characters who have had 2 of them in the past 15 years.

[Guest El Segundo Escupidor]

Captain Marvel get pushed back again (to 2019!) to make room for Ant-Man sequel.
http://marvel.com/news/movies/25244/marvel_studios_phase_3_update?linkId=17794776

Did nobody watch Ant-man or are we all "Marvelled out" at this point?

New line-up is as follows:

2016
May 6: Captain America: Civil War
November 4: Dr. Strange

2017
May 5: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
July 28: Spider-Man
November 3: Thor: Ragnarok

2018
February 16: Black Panther
May 4 : Avengers: Infinity War - Part 1
July 6: Ant-Man and the Wasp

2019
March 8 : Captain Marvel
May 3: Avengers: Infinity War - Part 2
July 12: Inhumans

[nymr83]

I have gotten a little Marvelled out lately actually, I have yet to see Age of Ultron (but plan to as the blue ray just came out), I probably wont bother seeing Ant-Man or the new Fantastic Four from this summer. Eagerly awaiting
Apocalypse's cinematic debut though!

[Benjamin Grimm]

I skipped Fantastic Four for numerous reasons, but other than that, I'm not at all Marvelled out. (Actually, I skipped Amazing Spider-Man 2 as well.)

I do faithfully watch each Marvel Studios movie and do so the weekend it opens. They're never as good as I want them to be, but I still eagerly await most of them. (I'm less enthused about Guardians of the Galaxy, however.) I was glad to hear of the news about Ant Man and the Wasp. I think the one I'm most looking forward to is Black Panther.

[dgwphotography]

I'm a little Marvelled out - I haven't seen Ant-Man yet, and I felt 3 of the previous 4 movies were underwhelming (Guardians of the Galaxy being the lone exception).

I'm more excited about the Jessica Jones series on Netflix next month. We were shown the first episode at ComicCon this weekend, and it was very good.

[Vic Sage]

dgwphotography wrote: I'm a little Marvelled out - I haven't seen Ant-Man yet, and I felt 3 of the previous 4 movies were underwhelming (Guardians of the Galaxy being the lone exception). I'm more excited about the Jessica Jones series on Netflix next month. We were shown the first episode at ComicCon this weekend, and it was very good.

i was at Comic-Con, too! JJONES does look good. I'm loving the whole Netflix/Marvel tv universe, and look forward to Luke Cage and Iron fist joining in soon, too.
As for the Marvel Movie-verse, the only one i haven't seen is F4, but i'll catch up with it on cable. I enjoyed Ant-Man... it wasn't great, but it was fun.

[dgwphotography]

I love the Netflix/Marvel TV universe. I like where they're going with Luke Cage, building him up slowly through Jessica Jones before his series starts.

BTW, Jeff Loeb seems to be the anti-Kevin Feige.

I spent most of the time down in the tunnels shooting cosplayers, but got into a few panels. The Firefly panel was fun, so was the Adult Swim panel...

[Guest El Segundo Escupidor]

Vic Sage wrote: I'm a little Marvelled out - I haven't seen Ant-Man yet, and I felt 3 of the previous 4 movies were underwhelming (Guardians of the Galaxy being the lone exception). I'm more excited about the Jessica Jones series on Netflix next month. We were shown the first episode at ComicCon this weekend, and it was very good. i was at Comic-Con, too! JJONES does look good. I'm loving the whole Netflix/Marvel tv universe, and look forward to Luke Cage and Iron fist joining in soon, too. As for the Marvel Movie-verse, the only one i haven't seen is F4, but i'll catch up with it on cable. I enjoyed Ant-Man... it wasn't great, but it was fun.

Yeah, I was more interested to see Edgar Wright's Ant-Man but i guess the result was better than I hoped for. I honestly thought it was gonna bomba. I was kinda hoping for more Honey, I Shrunk the Kids hijinks.

I saw F4 after my nine year old cousin pleaded to take him -- all can say is that it was a dog's breakfast. I hope Disney make some sort of deal for the IP only because I want to see Doom, Galactus and the Silver Surfer in the MCU.

I love the Netflix/Marvel TV universe. I like where they're going with Luke Cage, building him up slowly through Jessica Jones before his series starts. BTW, Jeff Loeb seems to be the anti-Kevin Feige. I spent most of the time down in the tunnels shooting cosplayers, but got into a few panels. The Firefly panel was fun, so was the Adult Swim panel...

Pity AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D sucks balls

Incidentally Feige is reporting directly to Disney directors now, which is kinda scary.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/marvel-shake-up-film-chief-819205

[Vic Sage]

The Firefly panel was fun...

Oh yes it was! Later that afternoon, I was on the exhibit hall floor and i saw a tall, dark, curly haired woman coming my way and i remember thinking: "damn, she looks like Gina Torres... wait, that IS Gina Torres!" I told her how much i enjoyed the FIREFLY panel and she said... now get this... "thank you." I had a moment with Gina Torres! There was an obvious and immediate connection, i could tell. If it wasn't for that restraining order, we'd be dating right now. My wife is ok with this: Gina is on my "celebrity sex exemption" list. Apparently i'm not on Gina's "geeky fan sex exemption" list, but i'll wear her down with my psychotic level of attention to her every movement. Mark my words, she'll be mine one day. Gina, surrender now, you magnificent warrior queen.

[Ceetar]

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[Benjamin Grimm]