Shortstop 2015

[Edgy MD]

Me gusto Aviles.

[A Boy Named Seo]

For the record, I don't really think Milwaukee makes that trade.

[Edgy MD]

Some GM of the Year you are.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Flores kahnfident!
http://metsblog.com/metsblog/wilmer-flores-believes-he-can-be-an-every-day-ss-for-the-mets/

[Theoldmole]

Flores hits .290 this year and doesn't embarrass himself at short.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

I'm with the Mole. Not too many of the guys we've talked about seem that much better that what we have. We're going to need offense.

If we have a slick-fielding backup for the late innings, an adequate glove starting at short should be OK -- as long as he's mashing.

[Frayed Knot]

I think I heard somewhere that Brian Williams has some time at shortstop on his resume.
He might be worth checking out.

[ashie62]

Yeah, but Williams hasn't been right since returning from the moon.

[Ceetar]

TheOldMole wrote: Flores hits .290 this year and doesn't embarrass himself at short.

Hope that's with at least a ..330 or so OBP though.

[Theoldmole]

.330 OBP, 50+ RBIs. You heard it here first.

[Frayed Knot]

MLB.com -- Rangers infielder Jurickson Profar's year-long attempt to heal a strained muscle in his right shoulder without surgery has come to an end. Profar, once one of the top prospects in baseball, will undergo surgery on Monday in Arlington and there is a possibility that for the second straight year he could be out for an entire season.

[batmagadanleadoff]

If you thought the Mets decided that they were going with Flores, think again.

Wilmer Flores, Ruben Tejada to compete for Mets SS job, says Terry Collins
BY Kristie Ackert
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Monday, February 23, 2015, 12:05 AM

excerpt:

PORT ST. LUCIE � The shortstop issue never seems to die with the Mets. After being unable to trade for or sign a shortstop this winter and repeatedly saying they felt comfortable coming into spring training with Wilmer Flores there, Terry Collins said Sunday that it is still an open competition, with Ruben Tejada in the mix, too. �Absolutely,� the Mets manager said. �I don�t think I can approach it any other way.

read the rest at http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/wilmer-flores-ruben-tejada-compete-mets-ss-job-article-1.2124866

[Edgy MD]

He's been saying it during the winter too.

[MFS62]

Red Sox sign Cuban prospect:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/02/red-sox-to-sign-yoan-moncada.html

Later

[A Boy Named Seo]

A crazy amount, but maybe 20 mils or so less than the crazy amount he was projected to land.

Glad our pretend trade for Jurickson Profar fell flat. Poor dude's missing his second straight season w/ shoulder surgery.

#TeamWILMER

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Also looks like Everth Cabrera and the O's are romantically involved.

[Frayed Knot]

The thing about the Cuban Moncada is that, as much as we'd like to see the Mets insert themselves into some of these foreign FA hunts at some point, he was never going to be a SS solution for this season anyway.
He's going to be a star!! is the majority opinion on him, but it probably won't be as a SS and, unlike say Puig and Abreu recently, as a 19 y/o "amateur" he's unlikely to make a mark on the big league level at all this year no matter where on the field he winds up.

[Vic Sage]

i don't care what position he plays. If he really has 5-tool all-star potential then we should have tried to acquire him. And if all he costs is money, not players or prospects, then a NY team should be able to outbid their Bostonian brethren. But nooooooooooo, not our Won'tPons.

If i've said it once, i've said it a million times.. fuck you, Freddie.

[Edgy MD]

Every player that costs money costs other players.

[Frayed Knot]

Vic Sage wrote: i don't care what position he plays. If he really has 5-tool all-star potential then we should have tried to acquire him. And if all he costs is money, not players or prospects, then a NY team should be able to outbid their Bostonian brethren. But nooooooooooo, not our Won'tPons.

I'm not suggesting the Mets shouldn't at least have had their noses in on the bidding (in fact I specifically said otherwise) only that, in the context of being the answer as to who would play SS on the big club this season, he wasn't going to be in the mix.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Vic Sage wrote: i don't care what position he plays. If he really has 5-tool all-star potential then we should have tried to acquire him. And if all he costs is money, not players or prospects, then a NY team should be able to outbid their Bostonian brethren. But nooooooooooo, not our Won'tPons. If i've said it once, i've said it a million times.. fuck you, Freddie.

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Edgy MD wrote: Every player that costs money costs other players.

I know what you mean. Keith Hernandez cost Dave Kingman. Darryl Strawberry cost Mike Howard.

[Edgy MD]

I thought it was a thoughtful, if obvious, point.

The Mets, of course, traded for Hernandez.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I thought it was a thoughtful, if obvious point. The Mets, of course, traded for Hernandez.

I thought is was the usual defend the Mets at all costs post. And the Mets traded for Keith knowing that if they wanted to keep him, they'd have to pay him what was large money for that time.

[Edgy MD]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I thought is was the usual defend the Mets at all costs post.

Well, it wasn't. Please try harder.

I beg you and beg you.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I thought is was the usual defend the Mets at all costs post. Well, it wasn't. Please try harder. I beg you and beg you.

Do you really believe that the Mets even got to the point where they gauged Moncada's future to determine if he was worth what it would take to sign him? An impoverished person doesn't crack open a spreadsheet to figure out whether he should buy that beachfront house in Southhampton.

[Edgy MD]

I didn't make any claim with regard to what the Mets did or did not do.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I didn't make any claim with regard to what the Mets did or did not do.

Fair enough. So then, what exactly did you mean when you wrote what you wrote in response to what you repsonded to. If I may ask?

[Edgy MD]

"Every player that costs money costs other players"?

You've said is much with your regular insistence that the Mets should not have signed David Wright. Signing Jason Bay in the 2009�2010 offseason had direct consequences in compromising their ability to I dunno, sign Cliff Lee or trade for Adrian Gonzalez in the 2010�2011 offseason. How about Victor Martinez? Mmmmmartinez.

Vic had once regularly derided the It's-only-money perspective as facile and shortsighted. Every dollar has a value in wins. If you're throwing too much after too little, you're mis-managing your team. And, far from defending the Mets at all cost, I'm perfectly willing to point out that the organization did that again and again, with a GM well out of his depth and hired for all the wrong reasons. It wasn't quite as reckless and stupid as getting in bed with Madoff, but it was reckless and stupid.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'd consider your points if the Mets were players, but they're not, so it's all moot. I doubt that there was any meaningful cost-benefit study undertaken over Moncada. Wake me up when the Mets are ready to join the big market teams in more than name only.

[nymr83]

If the Mets want to join "the big market clubs" I'd rather they do it in major league free-agency instead of giving a record-breaking deal to an amateur who has never taken a swing against a big leaguer.

I hope Moncoda sucks just to shut people who think $$$ will solve everything up.