See you in April David

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Just sayin'. What if he hurt it sliding or diving to rob a double or falling into the stands or tripping over the shortstop on a foul ball catch? Everyone would be second guessing why was he allowed to be out there playing hurt when the games are somewhat meaningless.

What if he trips on the curb going to get his Starbucks?

[Edgy MD]

Folks are already second guessing why he had been playing at all. There's no avoiding that.

All games are meaningless save for the meaning we invest in them. Yes, he could get hurt. Even in one or two potential ephemeral appearances; though without this official announcement that his season is over, he might not even get those. It's the nature of the game. But the purpose of the game is still to win. And teams seem way too cautious protecting players in the present for a future that may never come. You don't want to get caught up in a race to quit.

But if there's real danger of him worsening his condition, there's real danger and I understand that. I certainly haven't examined him. It just seemed to me that "persistent inflammation of the non-throwing shoulder" after two trips to the HfSS means we have no explicit diagnosis of an actual injury, just a description of symptoms.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: What if he trips on the curb going to get his Starbucks?

Off-the-field injuries not incidental to the game of
baseball don't count in this discussion. So there.

[ashie62]

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: What if he trips on the curb going to get his Starbucks? Off-the-field injuries not incidental to the game of baseball don't count in this discussion. So there.

Case closed. Points KC

[ashie62]

d'Kong76 wrote: Shutting him down for the rest of the season beats a press conference tonight with him in sling saying it's been barking all year and I tried to play through it but when I swung I heard this pop and I can barely lift my arm. We'll go for an mri to- morrow and let the good doctors see what going on in there now and hope surgery isn't necessary. Sheesh, it's like fifteen games people!

This seems painfully obvious. Safety first.

[Edgy MD]

Safety first, and what comes second? How much risk aversion is too much? How much is enough?

Shutting him down vs. an arm injury is certainly a false choice. It's framing the worst-case-scenario as the definitive alternative outcome.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don't know this for sure, but I'd guess that DW would not sign on for Operation Shutdown unless he felt as though his game and his ability to recover was compromised in some way by his condition at the very moment he shut it down.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Edgy MD wrote: Safety first, and what comes second? How much risk aversion is too much? How much is enough? Shutting him down vs. an arm injury is certainly a false choice. It's framing the worst-case-scenario as the definitive alternative outcome.

He's clearly injured. Why is this bugging you so?

[Edgy MD]

Well, if he's clearly injured, then he's clearly injured. I don't think I'm particularly bugged, so much as questioning a prevailing philosophy that's growing more entrenched.

If he's merely hurting, but they want to be extra cautious to protect long-term considerations, I tend to think too many decisions fall that way. It's too often about covering one's ass, in case things go way south in the future, so all decisions are made to allow things to go a little bit south in the present, but those things add up.

Pulling deGrom last night, for instance. He had thrown but 100 pitches and retired 14 straight. Mejia had been pouring gas on the last handful of games had entered. So then I ask, "How much caution is too much caution? How much is enough?"

[ashie62]

Our most valuable asset is injured. We are not going to the playoffs. I'm thinking risk/reward here and look to insure and help him to be most able to return to form in 2015. I believe you see this as a larger issue but I don't understand your argument Edgy.

[Edgy MD]

There's no disabled list assignment. So let the drama play out and let teams fear that he may be lurking. I love baseball, man, and I think the pressure to tell everybody your lineup plans weeks in advance is silly. Embrace the mystery, even if he stays glued to the bench.

Aside from that, I'll say no more.

[ashie62]

Gotcha and I understand. Be well.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Centerfield wrote: He should have been placed on the DL in June to allow the inflammation to calm down.... The best thing for the Mets would've been not to re-sign Wright in the first place. If you can get over your emotional attachment to him, the Mets were farther away from anything in 2012 than they are now. The team's so financially crippled that their payroll is in the low $80M's. So why the hell would they invest about 25% of their entire load on one past his prime and on the wrong side of 30 player? Sandy Alderson could probably plug three holes with the money the Mets are spending on Wright.

Plus, if they traded him, there might be some minor league hitting stud ready to produce for the big club right about now ... some prospect about 10 years younger than Wright.

[Lefty Specialist]

Perhaps, but remember the outcry when they let Reyes walk? Multiply that by 10 and you'd get the outcry if they'd allowed David to walk a year later. He was the most identifiable Met, and there would have been a revolt.

And what if Sandy Alderson used that salary to plug 3 holes with 3 Chris Youngs?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Perhaps, but remember the outcry when they let Reyes walk? Multiply that by 10 and you'd get the outcry if they'd allowed David to walk a year later. He was the most identifiable Met, and there would have been a revolt. And what if Sandy Alderson used that salary to plug 3 holes with 3 Chris Youngs?

I know exactly what you mean. In fact, I think that that, more than anything else, is why Wright was re-signed -- because the Wilpons didn't have the stomach for the shitstorm that would've ensued, instead opting for a half assed, half measured rebuild. I'd bet anything that Sandy would've preferred trading Wright.

Maybe with an extra $20M to spend, CYpung wouldn't have been the option chosen.

[Lefty Specialist]

Wright had said all along he wanted to be a Met for life. To trade him or let him walk would have been a PR disaster of epic proportions. Imagine how hard it would have been for Leigh Castergine to sell tickets in that poisonous atmosphere.

[Vic Sage]

every team is entitled to one "wtf" contract, and to use it on the best offensive player in the team's history, a team leader and captain who exemplifies all that is good about the game, is not the worst idea in the world.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

I have no problem with re-signing Wright. And compared to what other teams are paying for lesser players like Choo, I'm not even sure it's a bad deal.

Wright was the face of the franchise, and hopefully the team knew that people are still traumatized, or at least really, really pissed off, that Tom Seaver was traded. It wasn't going to make a mistake like that again, especially after Reyes left.

[Ceetar]

Personally I suspect we'll "See" David in February when Spring Training opens up.