Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

[Zvon]

Whew. It will be reviewed. Ew, and he was safe.

[Zvon]

Mejia lookin' like a fool with his premature dirty dancin'.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure C& C is there, but man.

[Zvon]

Reversed. Oh shit, this is not going to go well, is it?

[Edgy MD]

Ugh.

Five yards on Mejia for premature celebration.

[Edgy MD]

Delayed bliss!

[Frayed Knot]

Do we get two wins from that game since we had to win it twice?

Edited September 7, 2014 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

I guess being handed a three-run lead and ending it with two runs scoring and the bases loaded is the minimum standard for a save.

Well, being handed a three-run lead and two outs and ending it with two runs scoring and the bases loaded is the minimum standard for a save, but still.

[Zvon]

Holy crow. GJ getting out of that by Mejia.

What kind of player could Mejia net us? Cause I think he should be a front running trade chip. If we can get something worth it we can slide Familia right in the closers slot.

And BOOKS!

[Edgy MD]

He certainly could draw interest, but I'm not about depleting pitching until the offer is awesome. Better idea to me is to increase Familia's profile and allow two-inning saves from both guys, as needed, and go with the hot hand, as warranted.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: He certainly could draw interest, but I'm not about depleting pitching until the offer is awesome. Better idea to me is to increase Familia's profile and allow two-inning saves from both guys, as needed, and go with the hot hand, as warranted.

I would have been fine with TC trying Familia for 2 today.

Don't mind me. I'm going to pile up bodies for trade and try and keep mahmanMurphy hidden underneath.

Keep Newy but denDekker,....he's gotta be worth something.

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

Two straight days a crucial review has gone against the Mets, and two straight days I thought, "Well, at least they got it right." I really don't see a downside here, except for the Mets these past two games, and the second one worked out anyway.

[Frayed Knot]

Zvon wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Abreu is getting called up. What is the purpose of giving him any ABs at this point in the season? Since 40-Man roster is so precious, how can they find a spot for Abreu but not for Matt Reynolds who earned a callup. Moves like these really confuse me with this team. I mean, wtf?

It may be precisely because of the 40-man that it's Abreu. If Reynolds doesn't need to be protected this winter (I'm not sure one way or the other) then bringing him up now means you'd have to protect him or risk losing him and then that's one fewer slot to protect a guy who might need it.
Abreu's not going to be kept past this season so it doesn't matter what you do with him. He'll just be an extra LH PH off the bench (if he starts with MdD and Kirk up here then that's on Terry, not Sandy) and get removed from the roster three weeks from now.

NBD here IMO.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, given the choice of two guys who aren't going to play much, you certainly want to add guys who you either don't mind leaving unprotected over the winter, or who will be free agents anyhow. Alvarez and Herrera were guys they were going to have to add anyhow.

[bmfc1]

I strongly disagree.

[Frayed Knot]

Disagree with which part?

Reynolds was just drafted/signed two years ago which means he can be kept off the 40-man this winter and still be safe from poaching.
If he were to be brought up now he'd have to be added to the 40 first which translates to one fewer guy this winter who can be protected, or it means that Reynolds himself would have to be removed from the 40 which exposes to waivers and/or the Rule 5 draft.

How is any of that worth seeing him play 3rd string SS plus PH occasionally for three weeks, or take away starts from the guy they're already trying out at that position?
Abreu simply gets a handful of PH ABs then gets cut at the end of the season, no muss no fuss.

[bmfc1]

Thanks for the explanation.

[Frayed Knot]

Seems odd at first glance that a guy like Herrera needs protection where Reynolds doesn't even though he's nearly four years older, but when you sign 'em early you have to protect 'em early and the teenage contracts that many of the Caribbean kids get means their time comes up sooner, particularly as compared to college draftees (U-Ark) like Reynolds.

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Abreu is getting called up. What is the purpose of giving him any ABs at this point in the season? Since 40-Man roster is so precious, how can they find a spot for Abreu but not for Matt Reynolds who earned a callup. Moves like these really confuse me with this team. I mean, wtf? It may be precisely because of the 40-man that it's Abreu. If Reynolds doesn't need to be protected this winter (I'm not sure one way or the other) then bringing him up now means you'd have to protect him or risk losing him and then that's one fewer slot to protect a guy who might need it. Abreu's not going to be kept past this season so it doesn't matter what you do with him. He'll just be an extra LH PH off the bench (if he starts with MdD and Kirk up here then that's on Terry, not Sandy) and get removed from the roster three weeks from now. NBD here IMO.

All that and above makes sense. I imagine his presence can't hurt the bench. But even pinch hitting he better be 3rd string.

[Benjamin Grimm]

One of my pet peeves is how "closers" don't get removed from a game until after they've blown a save. Mejia was clearly struggling yesterday, and Terry didn't even have anyone warming up in the pen. (And as far as I know, he still didn't have anyone starting to throw during the replay review delay.)

I was ready to call Cincinnati and fire Terry on the spot, but I'm not sure I have that power. I hope, if the Mets do fire him, they'll pick someone who's at least willing to buck this strange orthodoxy.

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

Well, the logic is (and it's hard to argue with, given the results yesterday) that Mejia is better than anyone else you got, and you've got to give him the chance to demonstrate that, even on an off-day, he's your guy. In a closer spot, that means giving him the chance to blow the game, hence no reason to have someone warming up. Once he's demonstrated that he just doesn't have it today, the game has already been lost.

[Frayed Knot]

The whole problem was, of course, set-up by the tradition that dictates yanking Familia even after he tosses a 3-K/14-pitch 8th (and was NOT PH'd for). Once you make that switch, you've got limited (and presumably worse) options if/when Mejia does get into trouble.
And then, even as Mejia got into all kinds of trouble in the 9th, he's probably the best (remaining) bet to finish the inning as he did: Pop-up, weak IF single, K

[Ceetar]

I mean, you don't yank your starter when he gets into trouble in the third inning. If you don't think the guy can get the job done, don't bring him in. Not a lot of benefit to second guessing your players three batters in.

[Edgy MD]

Plenty of starters get yanked in the third inning.

And plenty more relievers get yanked after one, two, or three batters demonstrating that they're not particularly effective that day. Plenty of them go in with other guys warming up right behind them, just in case they don't get it done. This doesn't happen to designated closers, and some of us wonder if that's the wise way to go.

My position is that the one-inning closer standard is a poor use of resources.