Let's Make a Trade Today

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

deGrom and Tejada for Gregorious and Joe Thatcher.

We get a veteran LHRP they don't really need to slot in where deGrom would have gone and Edgin is now, we also get a shortstop who immediately becomes the leadoff hitter, freeing up EYJ for a trade. He is easily replaced with denDekker or Niuewenhuis.

They trade form a position of strength and don't lose face, get a MLB quality SS in the event Owings gets hurt or doesn;t perform & get a young starting pitcher to assist their turnaround.

EVERYBODY WINS!!!!!!

Who says no?

[Edgy MD]

That seems a little high. But just a little.

I really have a hankering to close out the EYJ era. He doesn't work on the bench and he's not good enough for a team that wants to be good to play. And as every Terry hater will remind you, we have alternatives.

Trying to think about why Gregorius or his like hasn't been acquired yet, and I guess folks are playing their cards hard.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Arizona doesn't want to lose face on their end, they made a strong effort to get Didi; he was their "get" in that massive Sin-Soo Choo deal with the Reds and seriously, I just used a racist word when I really meant "Guardians". They gave up promising pitcher Trevor Bauer.

There is Internet speculation they will ultimately go for a Didi-Owings middle infield and look to deal 2B Aaron Hill, but that's not going to net them anything and will probably cost $$ to dump.

I am totally on the EYJ Trade Bandwagon. The problem is that Terry feels like he can't trust anybody else to lead off.

Tellya what, if the GM won;t trade him and he's my responsibility, I use him only in the first inning to lead off, then slot in CY next time around.

[Vic Sage]

a designated first-inning leadoff man? that's brilliant. IT WILL WORK!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Works even better when you use a 1-inning relief pitcher as the starting pitcher, then double-switch!

TRY IT TERRY

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I am totally on the EYJ Trade Bandwagon. The problem is that Terry feels like he can't trust anybody else to lead off.

Maybe Terry playing EY was some sort of silent protest against not having Gregorius aboard yet.

Also continuing to garner buzz: Alexei Ramirez, Jimmy Rollins, Asdrubal Cabrera. Pie-in-the-sky aficionados also are continuing to lobby for Troy Tulowitski. Considering he's leading the league in everything, and the Rockies absolutely gave the Mets a game by benching him in the last game fo their series, it's hard to imagine what he'd cost, both in terms of a package to acquire him and an extension. I imagine a package would have to start with Zack Wheeler and that probably doesn't even get the Mets halfway.

Which is to say, Met fans probably shouldn't entertain such a fantasy. Not that it's impossible, but our brains probably aren't big enough to envision what it would look like.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Tulowitzski not realistic, very expensive.

Ramirez generating "sell high" talk because he's off to a good start this year but I'm not sure an erratic 32-year-old SS is what we need, certainly not worth trading a deGrom for.

Cabrera is OK, but he isn't a leadoff hitter, and so he doesn't solve our problems.

[seawolf17]

Cabrera's got a .335 lifetime OBP. Not exactly Rickey Henderson, but a fuck of a lot better than we've got in Ericyoungares up there.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Which is to say, Met fans probably shouldn't entertain such a fantasy. Not that it's impossible, but our brains probably aren't big enough to envision what it would look like.

Maybe. Maybe not.
Wright and Wheeler for Tulo and two major league ready prospects. (a pitcher and a position player)
As shortstops age, they can be moved to third, and Tulo hits well enough to do that.
As third basemen age, they can be moved to first, and David will be average or below as a first baseman.
And Tulo has shown that he hits well at Citi Field.

So they have to change their face of the franchise. So what?
Sandy has to start to show the fans that they will do anything to improve the team. And Tulo is a better player than Wright. And they have minor leaguers who could take over third (Flores, Lutz) and move into the rotation.

Anyhow, its a vision.
Later

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Sandy has to start to show the fans that they will do anything to improve the team.

No he doesn't.

[Edgy MD]

Wait, we just traded David Wright?

Yeah, I shouldn't have brought Tulo up. Distraction talk.

OK, deGrom and deTejada for deGregorius and deThatcher. Mets take on an extra mill, but you can take that out of the money they saved on the Farnie release, and still have the Ike Davis money to play with or used to cut into the defecit.

Teams that need a leadoff hitter, even a flawed one like EY: Cincinnati (.596 OPS out of the leadoff spot, Philadelphia (.598), Atlanta (.628), Washington (.638).

In the AL, there's Tampa Bay (.634), Cleveland (.638), Kansas City (.647), Baltimore (.651), and Boston (.653).

Some of those teams consider themselves contenders. Any of them have parts the Mets could pry loose for EY? Even a good backup for Gregorius might be helpful.

[Ceetar]

Eric Young is hitting worse than he was when we acquired him (granted a few less games in Coors Field)

I'd be surprised to get as much as Collin McHugh for him.

[Edgy MD]

That is because you hate him. But McHugh is doing all bloody right, so feel free to target the 2014 version of McHugh on one of those teams. He can replace deGrom in Las Vegas.

I'll start. Tampa's analog to McHugh is Jacob Todd Odorizzi. Yeah, he's more of a prospect than McHugh ever was, but he's scuffling and the team is running out of rotation room like the Mets were running out last year when they dealt McHugh.

Too good to ask for? What you go in Chicago? Cleveland? BE POSITIVE!

[ashie62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: deGrom and Tejada for Gregorious and Joe Thatcher. We get a veteran LHRP they don't really need to slot in where deGrom would have gone and Edgin is now, we also get a shortstop who immediately becomes the leadoff hitter, freeing up EYJ for a trade. He is easily replaced with denDekker or Niuewenhuis. They trade form a position of strength and don't lose face, get a MLB quality SS in the event Owings gets hurt or doesn;t perform & get a young starting pitcher to assist their turnaround. EVERYBODY WINS!!!!!! Who says no?

Some say no... I say YES

[Benjamin Grimm]

When your bank says no, Champion says yes!

[Edgy MD]

Man, Champion Mortgage. What a great example of predators riding the housing bubble.

How many of those guys you think are in jail now?

It was cool that they got Martin Scorsese to do their ads, though.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: How many of those guys you think are in jail now?

None

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: That is because you hate him. But McHugh is doing all bloody right, so feel free to target the 2014 version of McHugh on one of those teams. He can replace deGrom in Las Vegas. I'll start. Tampa's analog to McHugh is Jacob Todd Odorizzi. Yeah, he's more of a prospect than McHugh ever was, but he's scuffling and the team is running out of rotation room like the Mets were running out last year when they dealt McHugh. Too good to ask for? What you go in Chicago? Cleveland? BE POSITIVE!

I don't know that Odorizzi's necessarily too good to ask for. But I just don't think there's anyone in Tampa that would be mildly interested in a no-OBP, meh-D speedster for their young arm; this is the kind of trade that they'd usually be on the other end of, no?

Maybe something slightly older... slightly less prospect-glinty... something like T.J. House? (Or maybe just ask Cleveland for Scott Atchison back? I'm POSITIVE... that's a more realistic return for Mr. Young the Younger.)

[Edgy MD]

No respect for the stolen base champ.

You want to be a dealer? You gotta be-LIEVE! You've got to come up with a deal you can sell, be-LIEVE you can make the other team think it's in their interests, and then rob them blind.

[Edgy MD]

Is this one of those trade-hunting off-days?

[MFS62]

I think I've posted this before, but Edgy jogged the memory.
Enjoy,
Later
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I was thinking of the old days, before Monday Night Football, when the NBA and NHL had far fewer teams, and there was no need to schedule games on Monday nights. To fill the void in the Tuesday sports pages, baseball trades were always announced on Monday. I became so nostalgic for those simpler times that I felt a song coming on. Here it is, with sincerest apologies to the Mamas and the Papas.

Monday Monday, my favorite day
we would just know
that the guy we need
would come our way.

On Monday Monday, our GMs worked
to prove to us
he was no bust
or just a jerk.

On Tuesday morning, Tuesday morning
it was guaranteed
our latest trade would be printed there
for all to read.

Every other day , every other day
of the week went by
as news of other sports
just made us sigh - all of the time.
(Crescendo)

Monday Monday has changed today
the news of sports
is just the same
as any day.

But Tuesday mornings, Tuesday mornings
I still look to see
If we got that one key player
like in my reverie.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Padres by the way whacked GM Josh Byrnes yesterday, with some speculating that if Kevin Towers gets ousted from Arizona he'll wind up there again.

The Padres in the interim are giving more responsibilities to Byrne's assistants including Omar Minaya.

[Edgy MD]

I continue to be surprised every time I realize Bud Black is still around.

[Vic Sage]

why? because his teams have had losing records in 6 of his 8 years at the helm of the Pads? or because you know something about his health generally?

[Edgy MD]

The former. He seems like a well-liked leader of men, but he has impressed me as strategically unsound every time we run into the Padres. I like a team, like the Twins, who weather down periods and stick with their manager and don't try and scapegoat him when things don't work out, but Black doesn't win me over like Gardy. And I'm rooting for him, as I root for any manager who isn't a former secondbaseman/catcher/reserve infielder.

With regards to the general theme of this thread, it seems that, whatever the failures during the season, it seems to be unclear where the upgrade needs to be. The team's biggest problem has gravitated from fifth starter to closer to shortstop (for a while) to left field, with occasional visits to right field and catcher.

If this team gets a chance to make an upgrade, it's got to be in left, correct? Or do you stick with shorty? Because, even with a sudden power surge from Young, and Lagares coming back, we're still far from money in the bank in left.

[Vic Sage]

well, we need both, but it'll certainly be easier to find a LFer who can hit as compared to a hitting SS.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, keep your eyes peeled for a leftfielder/firstabasio type.

I wonder if the return of Gee could mean the Mets get a little drunk and go to market with Colon.

[Vic Sage]

i continue to hope Colon pitches well enough to be a tradeable asset next month.