IGT - May 5 - Mets at Marlins

[Zvon]

The back of Travis's 2014 Topps rookie card (which I proudly hold in my hand- smart lookin card) says he's 6'2"- is that correct? Why's he so small looking?

Fuck. DP the hard way.


OE: 6'2"

[Frayed Knot]

There's not a lot a reason to suspect that this game is going to end well, is there?

[Frayed Knot]

... and now there's even less.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Why use Rice there if he's in for one batter?

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: There's not a lot a reason to suspect that this game is going to end well, is there?

Sure there is. The lead off hit does detract.

OO,TC burnin the pen.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Weird strategery with that bunt. If you're Redmond, you trust McGehee to get a hit more than you trust Stanton to get a long hit?

[nymr83]

fucking lame way to lose

[Zvon]

Well, that was something completely different.

[Edgy MD]

Stupid.

[Guest themetfairy]

I'll take the blame for this one. The dual IGTs didn't bode well.

[Zvon]

It woulda went thu the middle if it didn't hit him anyway. But, it hits him. I hope he didn't get hurt.

[Frayed Knot]

Obviously the pen in general and DiceK in particular take the biggest lumps for this one, but once again we do the score early then try to sit on the lead thing. In this case there were two runs out of the first four batters but then just one for the rest of the game.



P.S. Don't forget Farnsworth when it comes to beer distribution.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Guest

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Big, dumb, newish ballpark. Same old stupid, eyebleed-inducing Joe Robbie weirdshit.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Obviously the pen in general and DiceK in particular take the biggest lumps for this one, but once again we do the score early then try to sit on the lead thing. In this case there were two runs out of the first four batters but then just one for the rest of the game. P.S. Don't forget Farnsworth when it comes to beer distribution.

I'm so done with Dice K. I don't get it. He's clearly not ready or prepared for the bullpen and is seemingly warming up constantly throughout the game. If this is the role he can best help the team in, get him down in Vegas working on his warmup routine, or just designate him the closer so he knows roughly exactly when he's coming in.

And what happened to Germen? He was pitching pretty well, had a muck up against Atlanta and has been used sporadically since. He had a crappy game at home against the Marlins too when he gave up those home runs, but two of 12 bad appearances ain't too bad (and last night he really only gave up a grounder.) so why the sudden doghouse treatment? The bullpen sucks, use the guys that have been succeeding.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: I'm so done with Dice K. I don't get it. He's clearly not ready or prepared for the bullpen and is seemingly warming up constantly throughout the game.

Well, there's a role for guys who've been starters all along but find themself on a staff where there is no room in the rotation or they are not quite up to the rotation's standards. This role is "long relief." But instead of using Matsuzaka and Torres in such a role, Terry has become enamored of them and used them as his righthanded setup guyzzz.

I think he'd be better advised to use Germen and Familia (and Valverde) in this role. As their position in the pen now is geared for neither high leverage nor long stints, they don't really have a role.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I'm so done with Dice K. I don't get it. He's clearly not ready or prepared for the bullpen and is seemingly warming up constantly throughout the game. Well, there's a role for guys who've been starters all along but find themself on a staff where there is no room in the rotation or they are not quite up to the rotation's standards. This role is "long relief." But instead of using Matsuzaka and Torres in such a role, Terry has become enamored of them and used them as his righthanded setup guyzzz. I think he'd be better advised to use Germen and Familia (and Valverde) in this role. As their position in the pen now is geared for neither high leverage nor long stints, they don't really have a role.

Yeah, I just meant that Matsuzaka doesn't seem to be prepared for the role they're seemingly using him in. So either figure that out or send him down to get better in the reliever mindset. This "Is he wearing a hat?" nonsense is rubbing me the wrong way.

I agree on Germen and Familia though. I'd like to see them get more innings. Valverde I'm not sure about but he's pitched twice in two weeks so clearly he should pitch at least a little bit more. Terry's flavor of the week bullpen management is a little grating sometimes.

[Frayed Knot]

Well prior to yesterday DiceK was probably the best thing we had out of the pen (best ERA, WHiP, H/9, etc.].
Small sample to be sure but that's all we have on anybody in the pen at this point is small sample.

I would have preferred to stick with Niese going into the 8th--although the pitch count and a few hard hit balls in the 7th probably killed that idea in Terry's mind.
But once the decision was made to yank the starter I didn't have a problem with who we went with. It's not like Germen, Familia, Farnsworth, Valverde, et al haven't had their moments this year also or that it was somehow pre-knowable that Matsusaka was more likely to implode than anyone else.

[Ceetar]

well, relievers on May 5th are full of small sample size stuff anyway.

I don't question the move to go to Dice-K as much as representation of absolute faith in him by leaving him in as he threw ball after ball after ball. Relieving is new to him, his preparation has been a story, and he's seemingly been up every day for innings at a time. Maybe this is just coincidence or growing pains but it just seems like Collins should've had those things in his mind and pulled him early. And this comes just after he left Mejia in after he's presumably lost it as well. It's just starting to look like a disturbing trend.

Then there is using your "closer" in the tie game on the road, which he rarely does. Given that and Valverde's non-use (big park and his problem has been home runs. Would've been a more logical one-inning choice than Dice-K?) I'm starting to suspect Jose is again the favorite for closer.

[Frayed Knot]

Well now you're shifting your argument to Terry's use of him rather than Matsuaka himself which is where you started things.
You wanted him pulled earlier? - I'm OK with that. I'm just arguing against this notion that his failure last night was somehow pre-ordained or that he needs to be farmed out because we don't like his warmup routine.

So just to put a bow on the stats (however limited) of Dice-K's life as a reliever to date:
- in 7 outings prior to last night only once did he not go at least a full inning and that was when he was brought to close out an inning when there were already two outs
- he had only been charged with 2 runs all season and one of those was a time he went 2-2/3
- 5 of the 7 times he didn't give up a hit. Hell, he had only given up 4 in total over 10-1/3 innings

For a guy "not prepared for the role" he seemed to be muddling along all right until the 8th inning last night.

[Edgy MD]

No, his failure was certainly not knowable. I'd just like to see some guys tuned for short roles and some guys tuned for longer ones. Terry's graduated one long guy, then another, to setup work, which is fine, if he tunes them for that work and reciprocally is tuning somebody else for the long jobs.

[Ceetar]

I'm really just ranting. (I'm way more annoyed at the offense/lineup construction last night) I don't think anything's decided either way and it's certainly something to keep an eye on. I just don't think Dice-K throwing 4 innings in the bullpen every game is setting him up for long term success.

But on the other hand, he's always been been a throw a billion pitches kind of pitcher. Thinking back to what I've read about him in the past, it seems like Red Sox fans were always infuriated that he'd be at 95 pitches through 5 regularly and it always seemed like Dice-K shrugged it off and felt like he could pitch more innings and he got pulled due to the rampant 100 pitches means you're done philosophies. He's also crazy slow and throws a lot of balls to boot. It's sorta infuriating to watch.


But 8 BB in 10.1 IP is not going to get it done. Even the 6 in 10.1 he had prior to yesterday is bad. I think Keith was ready to strangle him.

[ashie62]

Bring up Degroom...

DFA Matsuzaka...

[Edgy MD]

Allow me to disagree.

Now who is this "Degroom" fellow?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I predict that Ashie will be giving up on deGrom within a few weeks of his eventual promotion.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: Allow me to disagree. Now who is this "Degroom" fellow?

Deguy dat says devows and jumps debroom.

[Tie spins]