Adios El Capitan

[Ceetar]

Zvon wrote: I don't read these Skankee threads. It's American League business, so I don't care. But I have to share that todays Daily News had 1/2 a page on the Mets and 6 pages of Jeter. This is going to be one long season in that regard.

newspapers? they still make those?

[stevejrogers]

Ceetar wrote: I think it's all because they came up at roughly the same time. which of course is fudging it a bit. Jeter barely played in 95. Posada got into one game and one postseason game. (Jeter didn't get into any). no AB and didn't play in the '96 playoffs at all. Rivera sucked and was converted to a reliever fulltime in '96. But Bernie was there prior to that so he must have been part of the reason they sucked then right?

Actually he was turned during the 1995 season. There is a great "what if" I think in Buster Onley's book about what if Rivera had been brought in during Game 5 against the Mariners in the 1995 ALDS as he was on the roster as a reliever, not their regular 8th inning guy yet though.

And to further that bit with Posada, he doesn't become the full-time catcher until 1999/2000. I want to say Girardi is still the regular guy through 1999.

[Edgy MD]

My theory is that, when all is said and done, Girardi is going to be the sole reason Posada doesn't make the Hall of Fame. By keeping Posada on the bench as the starting catcher at the start of Jorge's career, and by benching him as manager at the end, the numbers fall short even as the rates do not.

[Edgy MD]

�He always thought about the weight his words carried and how it affected his teammates and his organization. That happened long before, with his teammates and his organization. So when you�re think about something that�s is the signature of Derek, it�s the substance.�

Buck Showalter talking partial nonsense about Jeter, and his copyeditors doing the rest.

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: My theory is that, when all is said and done, Girardi is going to be the sole reason Posada doesn't make the Hall of Fame. By keeping Posada on the bench as the starting catcher at the start of Jorge's career, and by benching him as manager at the end, the numbers fall short even as the rates do not.

We all owe a debt of gratitude to Girardi!

[MFS62]

One of the writers in the Daily News (yesterday early edition) actually said that in the game, two balls got by Jeter (we commented on one here) that (close paraphrase) "an average major league shortstop would have fielded."

I'm guessing that he sees more and more time as DH this year as the pitchers start to quietly complain to Girardi.

Later

[stevejrogers]

http://nyc.barstoolsports.com/m/random-thoughts/introducing-the-derek-jeter-retirement-barf-bag/

[Benjamin Grimm]

If it had actual, DNA-tested Jeter barf in it, you could probably sell it for $2,000 on eBay.

[dinosaur jesus]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If it had actual, DNA-tested Jeter barf in it, you could probably sell it for $2,000 on eBay.

That would suggest that Jeter himself is sickened by the fawning, which somehow I doubt.

Remember, Jeter is French for "hurl."

[Guest d'Kong76]

I'd buy one of those, pretty funny.
Where or who is kruchyfrogg these days?

[nymr83]

Yankee fans upset Jeter out of lineup for Sunday home game against Red Sox, great quote from Girardi:

Joe Girardi wrote: �I understand the fans want to see [Jeter] play and I get that, � [but] I�m sure they would be a little more upset if he was out two weeks or a month,� Girardi said before adding, �I wasn�t hired to put on a farewell tour.�

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Yankee fans upset Jeter out of lineup for Sunday home game against Red Sox, great quote from Girardi: Joe Girardi wrote: �I understand the fans want to see [Jeter] play and I get that, � [but] I�m sure they would be a little more upset if he was out two weeks or a month,� Girardi said before adding, �I wasn�t hired to put on a farewell tour.�

This is going to be a distraction for the team all year. A less-egotistical player would have announced at the end of the season, or even in the last month.

When did Willie Mays announce? I know that the Willie Mays night was toward the end of the season.

[Edgy MD]

September 20, 1973.

[Guest themetfairy]

Every time I see this thread title I wonder where David Wright is going.

[Frayed Knot]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: This is going to be a distraction for the team all year. A less-egotistical player would have announced at the end of the season, or even in the last month.

I suspect this early announcement was the result of several factors:
- the Yanx get to cash in on the rolling retirement party. Lots of "Last Time Ever" stuff --both actual merchandise and less tangible things as well-- to sell.
- that the team made it clear to Jeter that the raise he was getting after a lost year was essentially a good-bye package and that no such contract would be offered for 2015. Retiring in advance so to speak gets rid of a whole ton of questions and speculation based on each AB or missed game (he's already sat of 4 of their first 12)
- it closes the window on the idea that Jeter would have to lower himself to the indignity of looking for jobs with other teams at the end of the year.
- it closes the possibility that a bad and/or injured season is seen as the reason for this being his last year. By announcing ahead of time that "it's time to do new things" it's easy to say that he would have quit even off a good year

By taking all those factors out of play, the pre-season announcement might end as many distractions as it causes.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I'm still pullin' for a failed pee test. By Jeter, not Wright.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Frayed Knot wrote: This is going to be a distraction for the team all year. A less-egotistical player would have announced at the end of the season, or even in the last month. I suspect this early announcement was the result of several factors: - the Yanx get to cash in on the rolling retirement party. Lots of "Last Time Ever" stuff --both actual merchandise and less tangible things as well-- to sell. - that the team made it clear to Jeter that the raise he was getting after a lost year was essentially a good-bye package and that no such contract would be offered for 2015. Retiring in advance so to speak gets rid of a whole ton of questions and speculation based on each AB or missed game (he's already sat of 4 of their first 12) - it closes the window on the idea that Jeter would have to lower himself to the indignity of looking for jobs with other teams at the end of the year. - it closes the possibility that a bad and/or injured season is seen as the reason for this being his last year. By announcing ahead of time that "it's time to do new things" it's easy to say that he would have quit even off a good year By taking all those factors out of play, the pre-season announcement might end as many distractions as it causes.

Good points, all.

[stevejrogers]

Yankee fans upset Jeter out of lineup for Sunday home game against Red Sox, great quote from Girardi: Joe Girardi wrote: �I understand the fans want to see [Jeter] play and I get that, � [but] I�m sure they would be a little more upset if he was out two weeks or a month,� Girardi said before adding, �I wasn�t hired to put on a farewell tour.� This is going to be a distraction for the team all year. A less-egotistical player would have announced at the end of the season, or even in the last month. When did Willie Mays announce? I know that the Willie Mays night was toward the end of the season.

How many full season retirement "tours" have there been, besides Rivera and Jeter?

Off the top of my head;

Ripken, Gwynn, Brett, Ryan, Yount, famously the Clemens one that he came back from.

Heh, actually the best way to go was Mike Schmidt. Right after a crud fest of a first month just say "that's it, I'm done!" And he was able to be elected as a starter to the All Star Team!

[Benjamin Grimm]

Chipper Jones too, I think.

[stevejrogers]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Chipper Jones too, I think.

Right, forgot Larry.

Oddly enough, to counter MGIM's point, I've seen Met fan angst over not having one of our own have a "retirement tour" and specifically why Piazza didn't have one.

Obviously I don't recall Piazza saying that 2007 was to be his final season, and it would have been kind of odd seeing him get pre-game gifts from places where he'd only played in interleague games or as an Athletic that very season as that was his last team he played for.

[Ceetar]

SteveJRogers wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Chipper Jones too, I think. Right, forgot Larry. Oddly enough, to counter MGIM's point, I've seen Met fan angst over not having one of our own have a "retirement tour" and specifically why Piazza didn't have one. Obviously I don't recall Piazza saying that 2007 was to be his final season, and it would have been kind of odd seeing him get pre-game gifts from places where he'd only played in interleague games or as an Athletic that very season as that was his last team he played for.

Maybe if he did he'd be in the Hall now.

[Edgy MD]

Didn't Biggio get a full season retirement fest?

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If it had actual, DNA-tested Jeter barf in it, you could probably sell it for $2,000 on eBay.

Been thinking that I don't want to know how they got that DNA for comparison purposes.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

"Well you can't actually dust for vomit" -- Nigel Tufnel

[Edgy MD]

Checking out Biggio, he announced his retirement July 24, effective at the end of the season, enough time to get one more circuit through most NL cities, where he could get (if the Mets are any example) a nice video scoreboard farewell montage, but not so much to plan pre-game ceremonies.

And the Mets were the nominal home team of his Long Island childhood, so on second thought, I'm guessing he didn't spark much of a grand tour at all.

[Frayed Knot]

Checked in briefly on the Yanx/FOX game today. In it they were giving the upcoming schedule of Jeterian "lasts" (cuz, you know, it's all about him): last home game, last game in his native state of Michigan, last game at Fenway, etc. In the rundown they included the date of this year's All-Star Game as another Jeter-last.
I wasn't aware that the rosters had been set for that game yet.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: Checked in briefly on the Yanx/FOX game today. In it they were giving the upcoming schedule of Jeterian "lasts" (cuz, you know, it's all about him): last home game, last game in his native state of Michigan, last game at Fenway, etc. In the rundown they included the date of this year's All-Star Game as another Jeter-last. I wasn't aware that the rosters had been set for that game yet.

We all know Jeter was starting that game at SS even if he is batting .200.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I didn't know he was from Michigan! He's just like Madonna!

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I didn't know he was from Michigan! He's just like Madonna!

At least Madonna has married some of the people she fucked.

Later

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: Checked in briefly on the Yanx/FOX game today. In it they were giving the upcoming schedule of Jeterian "lasts" (cuz, you know, it's all about him): last home game, last game in his native state of Michigan, last game at Fenway, etc. In the rundown they included the date of this year's All-Star Game as another Jeter-last. I wasn't aware that the rosters had been set for that game yet. We all know Jeter was starting that game at SS even if he is batting .200.

fuck that, it's a ballot. With plenty of concentrated voting against him we can keep him from starting.