Post-Season Awards

[metsmarathon]

he wasn't even the comebackiest player on his own team.

brett gardner put up about 4 WAR after missing much of last year. rivera put up 2.5ish.

in the NL, its gotta be marlon byrd (5 WAR), right? ok maybe hanley ramirez could get it (5.4 WAR in 2/3 of the season, after 0.7 in 1/3 of a season last year)

[Edgy MD]

I prefer a player who disappears into the wilderness for several years over a player who loses 3/4 of one year to injury.

[Frayed Knot]

MFS62 wrote: Mariano Rivera - AL Comeback Player of the Year.

I suspect that vote was taken around May sometime.

[Frayed Knot]

[u:35ea3to8]SILVER SLUGGERS[/u:35ea3to8]

NL:
C - Yadier Molina, StL
1B - Paul Goldschmidt, Ariz
2B - Matt Carpenter, StL
SS - Ian Desmond, Wash
3B - Pedro Alvarez, Pitt
OF - Michael Cuddyer, Colo
OF - Andrew McCutcheon, Pitt
OF - Jay Bruce, Cin
P - Zack Greinke

AL:
C - Joe Mauer, Minn
1B - Chris Davis, Balt
2B - Robinson Cano, NYY
SS - JJ Hardy, Balt
3B - Miguel Cabrera
OF - Mike Trout, LAA
OF - Torii Hunter, Det
OF - Adam Jones, Balt
DH - David Ortiz, Bos

[Edgy MD]

Surprised they still do it with three outfielders at any position, rather than be more position-specific.

I'm going to award Bud Norris the highly coveted AL Pitcher Silver Slugger Stealth Award.

The National League DH Silver Slugger Stealth Award goes to Jordan Brown of the Marlins, I think. It was a rather pathetic performance, but he made 17 trips to the plate and got 5 RBI. But I"m not going to award that one.

[ashie62]

Gwreck wrote: I don't actually know if you have to qualify for the batting title to be eligible for a silver slugger. As noted, Wright should win for third base regardless.

I tend to think its a popularity contest

Wright may very well have won but he did miss 2 months of the season..

[MFS62]

Is fielding that much more important than hitting?
They give a Gold Glove award but only a Silver Slugger award.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Hubie Brooks won it in with a half season in 1986, and it was the right choice.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: Surprised they still do it with three outfielders at any position, rather than be more position-specific.

They kindasorta did it that way in the NL, didn't they? (Cuddyer does play a good amount of LF, when Carlos Gonzalez isn't plying his reportedly-superlative trade there.)

I'm more concerned about the fact that the winning 3B not only got on base at a less than 30-percent clip (.296), but actually slugged less than the guy who should have won, and did so while sporting a haircut that would send a person with a better-developed sense of shame crying to his locker room.

Hell, Pirates blogs agree.

[Edgy MD]

Oh, yeah, I agree. I just figured that was assumed.

I don't mean to say that the slugger awards can't and don't work to recognize one guy at each outfield position, but that they're not explicit about awarding one guy at each outfield position, and they perhaps should be, especially now that the Gold Glove Awards are distinguished as such.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Oh, I figured. Just wanted to punch the air a little.

And I agree. After all, what's the point in rewarding people for being the best at their position if you're, y'know, disregarding position. Hell, why not just name four first basemen to the "infield," then?

[Ceetar]

BWAA mimics the earlier IBWAA announcement of Myers and Fernandez.

Hey look, who's that at the bottom?

[Zvon]

Was waiting for word on this. Good choices. I thought Puig would get a few more votes. Wow, 4 Marlins have won this award now.

[Ceetar]

Tomorrow is manager, which is really the most arbitrary of them all.

I went with Farrell and Hurdle.

[Frayed Knot]

PLAYER	TEAM	1st	2nd	3rd	POINTS
Jose Fernandez	Marlins	26	4	0	142
Yasiel Puig	Dodgers	4	25	0	95
Shelby Miller	Cardinals	0	1	9	12
Hyun-Jin Ryu	Dodgers	0	0	10	10
Julio Teheran	Braves	0	0	7	7
Jedd Gyorkko	Padres	0	0	2	2
Nolan Arenado	Rockies	0	0	1	1
Evan Gattis	Braves	0	0	1	1

PLAYER	TEAM	1st	2nd	3rd	POINTS
Wil Myers	Rays	23	5	1	131
Jose Iglesias	Bos/Detroit	5	17	4	80
Chris Archer	Rays	1	5	15	35
Dan Straily	A�s	1	2	4	15
J.B. Shuck	Angels	0	1	1	4
Cody Allen	Indians	0	0	2	2
Martin Perez	Rockies	0	0	2	2
David Lough	Royals	0	0	1	1

[Edgy MD]

Suprised Teheran is a rook. He's barely appeared in the bigs before this year, but the Mets saw him twice in 2011.

Homers are nice, but surely Laggy outperformed Gattis and Gyorko. Probably Teheran, too.

[MFS62]

I have a weird feeling that among the NL-ers, Gattis will have the longest career.
As for the AL-ers, I'm not that familiar with any of them other than Myers and Iglesias.
How did Perez get on the AL list?
Later

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Actualmente, Perez is a Ranger.

Edgy MD wrote: Homers are nice, but surely Laggy outperformed Gattis and Gyorko. Probably Teheran, too.

Joining you-- and most people who actually watched ballgames this year instead of looking at the Triple Crown columns on the stat sheet-- Fangraphs agrees.

[Edgy MD]

How about that --- A.J. Pollock got even more scrod than Laggy, and it takes the stat geeks to argue for the importance of defense.

[Frayed Knot]

MFS62 wrote: I have a weird feeling that among the NL-ers, Gattis will have the longest career.

Really?!? Even in a part-timer/PH/DH kind of way I wouldn't bet on that.
Remember first of all that he's already 27 y/o, is barely a catcher and even less of an outfielder. The one thing that he has going for him is that nearly half his hits went for XBs but he also strikes out a lot, doesn't walk much [sub-.300 OBA], and was even demoted for a time during the season as pitchers adjusted to his first-pitch attacking bombs-away strategy. Even as a 1B-man/emergency catcher, which is probably where his future lies, that set of skills makes for a tough case as an everyday player.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: I have a weird feeling that among the NL-ers, Gattis will have the longest career. Really?!? Even in a part-timer/PH/DH kind of way I wouldn't bet on that. Remember first of all that he's already 27 y/o, is barely a catcher and even less of an outfielder. The one thing that he has going for him is that nearly half his hits went for XBs but he also strikes out a lot, doesn't walk much [sub-.300 OBA], and was even demoted for a time during the season as pitchers adjusted to his first-pitch attacking bombs-away strategy. Even as a 1B-man/emergency catcher, which is probably where his future lies, that set of skills makes for a tough case as an everyday player.

I was thinking more like a Smokey Burgess forever kind of career (but far from as good). Some 1B, mostly PH, preach a little gospel, sell a coupla' bottles of Doctor Good. And the fact that he "can catch" keeps him around. I said "a weird feeling". Not based on anything other than my gut.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

NL MOY = Hurdle, followed by Mattingly, then Fredi Gonzalez

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: NL MOY = Hurdle, followed by Mattingly, then Fredi Gonzalez

Hurdle deserves it.

[Frayed Knot]

AL:
Francona - CLE (16 1st place votes)
Farrell - BOS (12)
Melvin - OAK (2)
Girardi - NYY
Maddon - TBR
Leyland - DET
Showalter - BAL
Washington - TEX
Yost - KCR


Only four managers hogged all the votes in the NL: Hurdle - Mattingly - Gonzalez - Matheny

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

It's a little... something that the World Series champions' skipper/"engineer" of a 25-game turnaround didn't get this one, innit?

[Zvon]

Francona? That's one I didn't see coming.

[Edgy MD]

These votes are supposed to be filed before (and therefore without regard to the outcome of) the post-season, are they not?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Zvon wrote: Francona? That's one I didn't see coming.

The opportunity to kick Bobby Vee one more time prolly took him over the top.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

OK, sportswriters. Justify those votes for Girardi!

As for Farrell. I think Bobby V gets partial credit for clearing out some of the clubhouse cancers and making it easier for Farrell. The BoSox's 25-game swing wasn't your typical 25 game swing, as the team has a monstrously huge payroll and has been very good, save for the one year, for more than a decade. Farrell gets points for righting the ship, but some of those other guys did a lot with a lot less.

[metsmarathon]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: OK, sportswriters. Justify those votes for Girardi!

keeping an overpaid injury-riddled team afloat for most of the season, i suppose. though the hallmarks of a good manager would have been to keep the team in contention after some of the guys started coming back to being healthy, instead of falling more apart.