IGT 8/24/13 Det@Mets: Nobody's Watching; Nobody's Posting

[Frayed Knot]

Gwreck wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To be fair, it was Johnny Vintner who soured the sweeter chance. Yabbut, swinging first pitch when the pitcher is clearly tiring and struggling with command? Just poor

Interesting though that Keith, as revealed on Sunday's broadcast, was much more disturbed by Lagares's AB than by Buck's. Claimed even that it kept him awake that night.
Now we all know that Keith is often critical of overly passive hitters a condition which, as he sees it, is caused by too much film work and reliance on computer charts. Lagares certainly played into that as, unlike Back, he took pitches but in doing so took two fastballs essentially down the middle which set him up to eventually chase an up and in pitch on a 1-2 count for strike three.
Keith no likey.

[Edgy MD]

I remember Keith furious this weekend seeing Lagares taking all the way on a 3-1 pitch in an RBI situation, and getting a fattie down the middle.

If it bothers you so much, Keef, volunteer your services.

[Gwreck]

I don't think TV commentary works that way.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's definitely a sign of my decreased interest as a baseball fan that the Mets went up against a pitcher with a 18-1 record, and I didn't recognize his name. I mean, I know I'm only a fraction of the fan I used to be, but stuff like this still surprises me.

[batmagadanleadoff]

He was also the AL starting pitcher in this year's ASG. Saturday's game was the first time in baseball history that the two starting pitchers from the same ASG faced each other in the regular season. Gooden and Clemens, the '86 ASG starters, faced each other in that year's WS.

[Frayed Knot]

Gwreck wrote: I don't think TV commentary works that way.

Yeah, Keith would be way out of bounds if he simply took it upon himself to start offering advice to Lagares, or to anyone for that matter.
He did say something about making a point of talking to Hudgens about what the philosophy/mind-set is in that type of AB

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Gwreck wrote: I don't think TV commentary works that way. Yeah, Keith would be way out of bounds if he simply took it upon himself to start offering advice to Lagares, or to anyone for that matter. He did say something about making a point of talking to Hudgens about what the philosophy/mind-set is in that type of AB

He's stated in the past that he's talked to guys about certain things, hitting wise. I specifically remember an instance with Pagan where Keith was pointing out something which flying out from the shoulder and that Pagan is aware because he was talking to him about it. That's probably slightly different than pitch selection, but not by much.

The thing is, a lot of it's just guessing. And if you're guessing at pitches, sometimes you're going to be wrong. And Keith, often times, is still using the scouting report from his playing days at times. "2-1 count, runners on, he's gonna throw.._this_" and when he's right and the batter disagrees, well..

But Keith and Ron get that guessing game right a lot, ancedotally.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: Gwreck wrote: I don't think TV commentary works that way. Yeah, Keith would be way out of bounds if he simply took it upon himself to start offering advice to Lagares, or to anyone for that matter. He did say something about making a point of talking to Hudgens about what the philosophy/mind-set is in that type of AB

I did merely suggest the volunteering of services, which you suggest he's done.

[Frayed Knot]

Well, as of yesterday he had not talked to Hudgens, only that he wanted to do so at the next opportunity. (remember that this AB was from Saturday's game which he was not at)

And there is a difference between finding out from Hudgens, for announcing/informational purposes, what the team's philosophy is in those cases and if that fed into Lagares's actions in that AB. That sort of volunteerism is both welcome and kosher. Going to the players directly to suggest and/or correct while bypassing the coaches, not so much.