Trade Talkin'

[nymr83]

I wouldnt deal Harvey. at all.

Now if they told me Wheeler and d'Arnaud gets it done? sign me up. Wheeler isnt Harvey yet and while d'Arnaud might be a future star he also might never be healthy enough to show it, and he loses the "star" potential if his bat is forced by injuries to move off the catching position.

[smg58]

Before we start haggling the price down, keep in mind that Stanton (much like Harvey) would be desirable to every team in the league. Negotiating the price is what you do when there are two or three teams left in the bidding and your offer is the closest to getting it done. Of course I'd balk at dealing Harvey, but one of the 28 other teams interested in Stanton might offer something comparable.

[Edgy MD]

Right now, I'm not sure there is an asset comparable to Harvey.

That said, arms are vulnerable. Good pitching is ephemeral. It's there and it's not. Blink and you miss it. How Tom Seaver was able to do what he did, year in and year out, completing 47% of the games he started through age 32, working (presumably) without 'roids, is inexplicable.

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: Right now, I'm not sure there is an asset comparable to Harvey. That said, arms are vulnerable. Good pitching is ephemeral. It's there and it's not. Blink and you miss it. How Tom Seaver was able to do what he did, year in and year out, completing 47% of the games he started through age 32, working (presumably) without 'roids, is inexplicable.

Who is comparable to Harvey? Harvey is a top 10 starting pitcher in the league right now and is under control for 6 more years... I'm having a hard time thinking of guys who fit both categories. I can't include anyone who hasnt had major league success, no matter how touted they are. Shelby Miller? Jose Fernandez? is it just my Met-Bias saying they aren't at Harvey's level? Would you say Strasburg has more value? with two less years of control left and the injury history I wouldn't.

[metsmarathon]

there's no pitching asset comparable to harvey.

in the fangraphs piece referenced somewhere above that lists stanton as #8 and harvey as #7, the following players are listed ahead of him, and it's really hard to quibble much with any of them:

#6 posey (power hitting catcher signed long term, albeit at high salary - this is the one most quibblable)
#5 longoria (excellent all around thirdbaseman signed long term to fairly reasonable salary, all things considered)
#4 mccutchen (the pirates will pay him an average of only $12M for each of the next five years)
#3 manny machado (he's only 20, this is hist first full year, and he's a super 3b)
#2 harper (i don't think i need to explain this one)
#1 trout (duh)

none of htese players are getting traded for giancarlo stanton. matt harvey isn't either. a team could put together a package that, together, could be worth more than harvey, but one player alone isn't doing the trick.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Were I a Giants GM, I would probably trade Posey for Stanton (see: injury concerns, cost).

Were I a Giants GM, I would probably also be crucified.

[metsmarathon]

the trick is, the one team you're not going to be able to trade posey to is probably the marlins, because salary.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

[Points to metsmarathon]

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