Division Rivals: Phillies in 2013

[batmagadanleadoff]

I wouldn't mind if he managed the Mets one day.

[Edgy MD]

Wow, that's astounding. What did he do that couldn't wait until the end of the season to address? Go golfing with Jerry Sanduskey? He just won his 1000th game, which is almost 10% of all wins for a team that's been around forever, and about 50% more than any Met manager ever won.

UPDATE: Jay Z Didn�t Really Dedicate �99 Problems� To Charlie Manuel August 14, 2013 12:01 AM PHILADELPHIA (CBS) - UPDATE: As it turns out, this was a joke that got misunderstood. Ah well, it would have been more fun if it happened. Cindy Webster @Cindy610 For the record, Jay Z did NOT actually dedicate 99 Problems to Charlie Manuel last night. I obviously need to work on my twitter sarcasm. Charlie Manuel surprised almost everyone last week when he quoted hip-hop legend Jay Z at his 94WIP radio show at Ponzio�s. �Let me tell you something like this, I got 99 problems and a contract and managing next year, is not one of my problems.� Manuel said when asked about his future with the Phillies. �I understand that if you tear something down, you start rebuilding it more and things like that, that there�s going to be a lot of changes. A lot of times it depends whether you want to clean house or partly clean it. That�s kind of how I look at it. At the same time too, I�m not worried about it.� According to some reports on Twitter, Jay Z Tuesday night at Citizen�s Bank Park surprised almost everyone when he dedicated the song �99 Problems� to Manuel during his concert with Justin Timberlake. But as it turns out, it was just people who were taking liberties with the original tweet. http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/08/14/jay-z-dedicates-99-problems-to-charlie-manuel/

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Starting to see posts that Manuel is gone, press conference at 2:30.

Ryne Sandberg, perhaps?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I wouldn't mind if he managed the Mets one day.

Was thinking the very same thing.

I suppose he's gotta be a candidate.

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I wouldn't mind if he managed the Mets one day. Was thinking the very same thing. I suppose he's gotta be a candidate.

Save money by giving him Jerry's old uniforms.

[G-Fafif]

Sandberg reportedly his successor.

[Edgy MD]

Not a lot of HoFers this side of Frank Robinson putting their legacy on the line with managerial gigs. Good for him.

[dinosaur jesus]

Not clear how firing the manager is supposed to improve the team, when everybody knows the problem is that they're old, injured, or not very good to start with (and probably don't have the money to do anything about it, locked into that ridiculous Ryan Howard deal). But that's an old story.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Why not let Charlie finish the season for them? It's not like the Phils are going to be roaring back into contention, he's had a ton of injuries and did well with the team for a long time.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Always weird to see a manager in street clothes.

Ruben all crying now. Cholly asked to stay with the org

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Charlie's going down with a lot of class, I have to say.

Been asked to stay with team but will take time off. Acknowledges he'd still like to manage.

[bmfc1]

The MFPs fired their manager? I'm jealous.

[Benjamin Grimm]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Why not let Charlie finish the season for them? It's not like the Phils are going to be roaring back into contention, he's had a ton of injuries and did well with the team for a long time.

I agree. He's done a hell of a job for them over many years, and he deserves a better exit than that.

They could at least have called the press conference for 2:30 a.m. instead of p.m.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I wouldn't mind if he managed the Mets one day. Was thinking the very same thing. I suppose he's gotta be a candidate.

as long as that one day's a meaningless Spring Training game or perhaps a game after they've clinched and the real manager is sick.

[bmfc1]

Maybe they thought that Sandberg would be sought after by other teams so they wanted to lock him in. Maybe they want him to learn the team "first hand", or some cliche like that.

If Sandberg was such a great managerial candidate, wouldn't the Cubs have signed him first?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Rube says once he decided that Cholly wouldn't be back it was better to start right away with the future direction.

You can tell the writers are preparing to destroy the Phillies for this.

[Edgy MD]

I could be wrong, and it may well be irrelevant, but I get the notion that mid-season replacements don't force a team to conform with league-mandated minority-quota candidate search processes that they would have to go through in the offseason.

Mets have hired 100% of the available mushy, white-haired, retirement-aged ex-Phillies managers with a championship under their belts. Yanks have too, though, so if Sandy wants him, he'd better move fast.

If Sandberg was such a great managerial candidate, wouldn't the Cubs have signed him first?

They did and they developed him. He was runner up in their previous search, and rather than stay in the organization waiting for the next opening, he left. Doesn't mean that he wasn't great, only that they found somebody who they thought was a better fit at the time. Only 30 of those jobs laying around.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And many of them held by mushy white-haired mediocrities.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Edgy MD wrote: I could be wrong, and it may well be irrelevant, but I get the notion that mid-season replacements don't force a team to conform with league-mandated minority-quota candidate search processes that they would have to go through in the offseason. Mets have hired 100% of the available mushy, white-haired, retirement-aged ex-Phillies managers with a championship under their belts. Yanks have too, though, so if Sandy wants him, he'd better move fast. If Sandberg was such a great managerial candidate, wouldn't the Cubs have signed him first? They did and they developed him. He was runner up in their previous search, and rather than stay in the organization waiting for the next opening, he left. Doesn't mean that he wasn't great, only that they found somebody who they thought was a better fit at the time. Only 30 of those jobs laying around.

Dallas!

I always kind of though Ryno got hosed in Chicago. He did all the right things, the team threw Quade in there supposedly as an interim, then stuck with him when the team did better than expected, then dumped him.

[Edgy MD]

And heck, who said the Cubs have all the judgment in the world. I'd hate the Phils to think, "if he was so great, why didn't the Cubs hire him?"

Why didn't the Orioles hire Davey Johnson? Why did the Senators let Gil Hodges go? That's half the fun of baseball transactions, and the key to all trades --- different teams evaluate and value the same talent differently.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

It does sound as though the Phillies grabbed Sandberg with the idea of having a successor.

This is a bit different then when the Mets had no idea what they'd do next when they pushed Randolph out. For one they believed they'd get back into the race (they did), but in retrospect it was a big mistake to have stuck with Jerry when they could have opened it up for anyone.

[metirish]

Amaro hanging by a string I would think.

[Benjamin Grimm]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: It does sound as though the Phillies grabbed Sandberg with the idea of having a successor. This is a bit different then when the Mets had no idea what they'd do next when they pushed Randolph out. For one they believed they'd get back into the race (they did), but in retrospect it was a big mistake to have stuck with Jerry when they could have opened it up for anyone.

And if the Mets did have a successor in waiting, they'd be criticized for that too, for having somebody breathing down Willie's neck.

[Edgy MD]

You don't designate, imply, or leave open for interpretation any possible implication of a designated successor for a first-time manager. That's only something you build under vets with a successful track record, and a secure contract.

During Terry's first season, when he was field coordinator, he made certain that spring of never even visiting the big league side of the spring training complex, lest he be perceived as any succession threat to Manuel.

And, of course, he not only was a threat, but successful one. Like bagging chixx with Mike Damone, the best way to score is to act cool and disinterested. Gary Carter didn't know, as he never hung with Mike.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: You don't designate, imply, or leave open for interpretation any possible implication of a designated successor for a first-time manager. That's only only something you build under vets with a successful track record, and a secure contract. During Terry's first season, when he was field coordinator, he made certain that spring of never even visiting the big league side of the spring training complex, lest he be perceived as any succession threat to Manuel. And, of course, he not only was a threat, but successful one. Like bagging chixx with Mike Damone, the best way to score is to act cool and disinterested. Gary Carter didn't know, as he never hung with Mike.

Also, the best way to get a job is to have another job in the organization. true outside baseball as well.

[Zvon]

I haven't seen that many Phils games this season. I don't know if Charlie was losing it or what. But I loved the guy and I'm sure Phils phans and players did too. He's a true character of the game and I shall miss him stammering through his post game interviews.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metirish wrote: Amaro hanging by a string I would think.

Amaro should have been hanging by more than a string.