Winter 2012-13 Managerial Shuffle

[Frayed Knot]

Not too early to start the manager go-'round tracker for the winter 2012-13

The Astros were already the first into the pool and the Indians may be 2nd with interim Sandy Alomar Jr. and Terry Francona being the favorites and supposedly interviewing this week.

TEAM	MANAGER	STATUS	UPDATES
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
MARLINS	Ozzie Guillen	Signed thru 2015
METS	Terry Collins	Signed thru 2012 + 2013 option	Option picked up for 2013
PHILLIES	Charlie Manuel	Signed thru 2013
NATIONALS	Davey Johnson	Signed thru 2013
CUBS	Dale Sveum	Signed thru 2014
REDS	Dusty Baker	Signed thru 2012
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	Signed thru 2014 + 2015 option
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	Signed thru 2013
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
DIAMONDBACKS	Kirk Gibson	Signed thru 2014 + �15 & �16 options
ROCKIES	Jim Tracy	Signed thru 2013
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	Signed thru 2013
PADRES	Bud Black	Signed thru 2013 + options for �14 + �15
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	Signed thru 2013 + option for �14
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	Signed thru 2013
RED SOX	Bobby Valentine	Signed thru 2013
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	Signed thru 2013
RAYS	Joe Maddon	Signed thru 2015
BLUE JAYS	John Farrell	Signed thru 2013
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	Signed thru 2014
INDIANS	Manny Acta	Fired Sept 2012
TIGERS	Jim Leyland	Signed thru 2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	Club option for 2013
TWINS	Ron Gardernhire	Signed thru 2013
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	Signed thru 2018
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	Signed thru 2014
MARINERS	Eric Wedge	Signed thru 2013
RANGERS	Ron Washington	Signed thru 2014
ASTROS	Brad Mills	Fired in August	=#BF0000]Bo Porter hired for 2013 - ??

[Ceetar]

I bet Leyland gets a new contract.

[Frayed Knot]

One of the Detroit papers (are there even more than one?) last week had Leyland NOT being rehired if they failed to win the division - but, even if true, that issue got resolved last night.
I suppose that with his age - 68 in December even though he's looked at least 68 for like two decades now - how long a club wants to commit to him (or him to them) is the biggest question.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: One of the Detroit papers (are there even more than one?) last week had Leyland NOT being rehired if they failed to win the division - but, even if true, that issue got resolved last night. I suppose that with his age - 68 in December even though he's looked at least 68 for like two decades now - how long a club wants to commit to him (or him to them) is the biggest question.

maybe it's a LaRussaesque retirement. I have them winning it all after all.

[HahnSolo]

Wonder if Dusty, based on his recent health concerns, will be back in Cincy next year.

[Edgy MD]

Looks like it'll be a pretty uneventful offseason --- once we get past the Bobby Valentine drama.

[Fman99]

Do you all think Guillen gets another crack at the Miami miasma?

[metirish]

Fman99 wrote: Do you all think Guillen gets another crack at the Miami miasma?

If not then he'll get a hefty payoff, signed through 2015....yikes

FWIW , Gary and the crew talked about this last night, they think he'll be back........but if that is the case then Heath Bell can't be back too.....is it that toxic down there for him?

[Edgy MD]

Yes, I think he does.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

No way the Marlins are going to eat two years in a contract!

But I have no doubt they'll be trying to dump Bell.

[Frayed Knot]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: No way the Marlins are going to eat two years in a contract!

Three - he's signed thru 2015

[Frayed Knot]

TEAM	MANAGER	STATUS	UPDATES
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
MARLINS	Ozzie Guillen	Signed thru 2015
METS	Terry Collins	Signed thru 2012 + 2013 option	Option picked up for 2013
PHILLIES	Charlie Manuel	Signed thru 2013
NATIONALS	Davey Johnson	Signed thru 2013
CUBS	Dale Sveum	Signed thru 2014
REDS	Dusty Baker	Signed thru 2012
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	Signed thru 2014 + 2015 option
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	Signed thru 2013
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
DIAMONDBACKS	Kirk Gibson	Signed thru 2014 + �15 & �16 options
ROCKIES	Jim Tracy	Signed thru 2013
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	Signed thru 2013
PADRES	Bud Black	Signed thru 2013 + options for �14 + �15
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	Signed thru 2013 + option for �14
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	Signed thru 2013
RED SOX	Bobby Valentine	Signed thru 2013 - Fired Oct 2012
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	Signed thru 2013
RAYS	Joe Maddon	Signed thru 2015
BLUE JAYS	John Farrell	Signed thru 2013
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	Signed thru 2014
INDIANS	Manny Acta	=#FF0000]Fired Sept 2012
TIGERS	Jim Leyland	Signed thru 2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	Club option for 2013
TWINS	Ron Gardernhire	Signed thru 2013
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	Signed thru 2018
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	Signed thru 2014
MARINERS	Eric Wedge	Signed thru 2013
RANGERS	Ron Washington	Signed thru 2014
ASTROS	Brad Mills	=#FF0000]Fired in August	Bo Porter hired for 2013 - ??

[Frayed Knot]

Well that didn't take long

TEAM	MANAGER	STATUS	UPDATES
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
MARLINS	Ozzie Guillen	Signed thru 2015
METS	Terry Collins	Signed thru 2012 + 2013 option	Option picked up for 2013
PHILLIES	Charlie Manuel	Signed thru 2013
NATIONALS	Davey Johnson	Signed thru 2013
CUBS	Dale Sveum	Signed thru 2014
REDS	Dusty Baker	Signed thru 2012
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	Signed thru 2014 + 2015 option
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	Signed thru 2013
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
DIAMONDBACKS	Kirk Gibson	Signed thru 2014 + �15 & �16 options
ROCKIES	Jim Tracy	Signed thru 2013
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	Signed thru 2013
PADRES	Bud Black	Signed thru 2013 + options for �14 + �15
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	Signed thru 2013 + option for �14
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	Signed thru 2013
RED SOX	Bobby Valentine	Signed thru 2013 - Fired Oct 2012
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	Signed thru 2013
RAYS	Joe Maddon	Signed thru 2015
BLUE JAYS	John Farrell	Signed thru 2013
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	Signed thru 2014
INDIANS	Manny Acta	=#FF0000]Fired Sept 2012	Hired Terry Francona - reportedly for 4 years
TIGERS	Jim Leyland	Signed thru 2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	Club option for 2013
TWINS	Ron Gardernhire	Signed thru 2013
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	Signed thru 2018
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	Signed thru 2014
MARINERS	Eric Wedge	Signed thru 2013
RANGERS	Ron Washington	Signed thru 2014
ASTROS	Brad Mills	=#FF0000]Fired in August	Bo Porter hired for 2013 - ??

[Edgy MD]

Sandy Alomar, Jr. hits the open market with a career 3-3 record.

[Frayed Knot]

Sandy Jr. has been offered a job on Francona's staff - most likely as bench coach - but hasn't said yet whether he'll take it.
Formal announcement on all this isn't until Monday so as to not interfere with weekend games.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I think Bobby Valentine got hosed. He had a record number of injuries, a roster of disgruntled vets who probably got the last manager fired, and the team traded three of his best players to the Dodgers. He's probably right about the coaches.

Did he drop some bombs in the media and call out some players? Sure. He's Bobby Valentine and that's what he does. You knew that going in.

This team finishing poorly was not his fault, and usually you get more than a year to turn things around.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I think Bobby Valentine got hosed. He had a record number of injuries, a roster of disgruntled vets who probably got the last manager fired, and the team traded three of his best players to the Dodgers. He's probably right about the coaches. Did he drop some bombs in the media and call out some players? Sure. He's Bobby Valentine and that's what he does. You knew that going in. This team finishing poorly was not his fault, and usually you get more than a year to turn things around.

This was a no-win situation. He was sent in to clear the brush and take the heat during a year that was never going to be successful. Now that the disgruntled guys are gone and the team has hit bottom the next guy rides in on a white horse. If Bobby didn't see it coming he's not as smart as we all seem to think he is.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Swan Swan H wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: I think Bobby Valentine got hosed. He had a record number of injuries, a roster of disgruntled vets who probably got the last manager fired, and the team traded three of his best players to the Dodgers. He's probably right about the coaches. Did he drop some bombs in the media and call out some players? Sure. He's Bobby Valentine and that's what he does. You knew that going in. This team finishing poorly was not his fault, and usually you get more than a year to turn things around. This was a no-win situation. He was sent in to clear the brush and take the heat during a year that was never going to be successful. Now that the disgruntled guys are gone and the team has hit bottom the next guy rides in on a white horse. If Bobby didn't see it coming he's not as smart as we all seem to think he is.

I just thought they'd give him more than a year to do it.

[MFS62]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I just thought they'd give him more than a year to do it.

Don't worry about Bobby. He'll do ok.
He showed that he could get rid of so many people in such a short amount of time that he can step right into a job at Bain Capital.

Later

[Edgy MD]

He certainly got paid for his trouble.

[metirish]

Jim Tracy has resigned according to @TonyRenck the Rockies beat writer.

[bmfc1]

Another manager is out of a job after a bad season. Meanwhile, TC is planning drills for spring training 2013.

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Jim Tracy has resigned according to @TonyRenck the Rockies beat writer.

the TBS crawled said this is "effective immediately". Does this mean he picks the foursomes for the golf games or what?

[Frayed Knot]

That why we do these charts even when it looks like there'll be little activity. There are always unexpected developments.
Did Tracy have some health or personal problems in the last year or so? I don't recall any specifics but something is in the back of my mind.

TEAM	MANAGER	STATUS	UPDATES
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
MARLINS	Ozzie Guillen	Signed thru 2015
METS	Terry Collins	Signed thru 2012 + 2013 option	Option picked up for 2013
PHILLIES	Charlie Manuel	Signed thru 2013
NATIONALS	Davey Johnson	Signed thru 2013
CUBS	Dale Sveum	Signed thru 2014
REDS	Dusty Baker	Signed thru 2012
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	Signed thru 2014 + 2015 option
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	Signed thru 2013
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
DIAMONDBACKS	Kirk Gibson	Signed thru 2014 + �15 & �16 options
ROCKIES	Jim Tracy	Signed thru 2013 - Resigned 10/7
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	Signed thru 2013
PADRES	Bud Black	Signed thru 2013 + options for �14 + �15
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	Signed thru 2013 + option for �14
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	Signed thru 2013
RED SOX	Bobby Valentine	Signed thru 2013 - Fired Oct 2012
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	Signed thru 2013
RAYS	Joe Maddon	Signed thru 2015
BLUE JAYS	John Farrell	Signed thru 2013
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	Signed thru 2014
INDIANS	Manny Acta	=#FF0000]Fired Sept 2012	Hired Terry Francona - reportedly for 4 years
TIGERS	Jim Leyland	Signed thru 2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	Club option for 2013
TWINS	Ron Gardernhire	Signed thru 2013
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	Signed thru 2018
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	Signed thru 2014
MARINERS	Eric Wedge	Signed thru 2013
RANGERS	Ron Washington	Signed thru 2014
ASTROS	Brad Mills	=#FF0000]Fired in August	Bo Porter hired for 2013 - ??

[Edgy MD]

The Rocks set a team record for most losses. Management said they wanted to keep him, but I guess he didn't see things getting quickly better and didn't want to be the guy holding the bag when they got worse.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Reds give Dusty a 2-year extension.

[Frayed Knot]

Dusty, despite not seeming to be real respected by fans as a top-notch manager, has had a very long and almost uninterrupted streak as a big league skipper and has had a pretty good record as such although has been somewhat star-crossed at the same time.

- Started in 1993 and has managed every year since with the exception of 2007
- Won 103 games with the Giants in his very first season, but missed the playoffs to the 104 win Braves in that final year before wild cards
- Finished 1st or 2nd in 8 of 10 seasons with SF (albeit in a 4-team division) although only 1st twice. Those two 1st-place finishes ended with no playoff series wins and just one game win
- His Giants did won one pennant from the WC slot leading to the 2002 WS where his Giants had a 3-2 lead in games and 5-0 lead in the 7th inning of game 6 ... only to blow both that game plus the next one. That turned out to be his final game with the Giants
- He immediately moved to the Cubs where he won the Central and carried a 3 games to 2 lead and a 3-0 lead into the 8th inning of the NLCS ... only to blow both that game (two words: Bart Man) and the next one too. His Cubs never finished above 3rd after that.
- After the one year off in 2007, he wound up in Cincy where he won a division in his 3rd season ... only to get no-hit in their first playoff game and swept by the Phils getting only 11 hits in the whole series
- Then in year five in Cincy (this year) he wins the Central again and watches as his team gets a 2-0 lead but then loses 3 straight at home
- He's 1,581 - 1,432 overall

In all he's managed 19 seasons, won five divisions, made the playoffs 6 times, but won just 3 series in total as his teams were 19-25 overall in post-season play

TEAM	MANAGER	STATUS	UPDATES
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
MARLINS	Ozzie Guillen	Signed thru 2015
METS	Terry Collins	Signed thru 2012 + 2013 option	Option picked up for 2013
PHILLIES	Charlie Manuel	Signed thru 2013
NATIONALS	Davey Johnson	Signed thru 2013
CUBS	Dale Sveum	Signed thru 2014
REDS	Dusty Baker	Signed thru 2012	Extended thru 2014
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	Signed thru 2014 + 2015 option
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	Signed thru 2013
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	Signed thru 2013 + 2014 option
DIAMONDBACKS	Kirk Gibson	Signed thru 2014 + �15 & �16 options
ROCKIES	Jim Tracy	Signed thru 2013 - Resigned 10/7
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	Signed thru 2013
PADRES	Bud Black	Signed thru 2013 + options for �14 + �15
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	Signed thru 2013 + option for �14
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	Signed thru 2013
RED SOX	Bobby Valentine	Signed thru 2013 - Fired Oct 2012
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	Signed thru 2013
RAYS	Joe Maddon	Signed thru 2015
BLUE JAYS	John Farrell	Signed thru 2013
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	Signed thru 2014
INDIANS	Manny Acta	=#FF0000]Fired Sept 2012	Hired Terry Francona - reportedly for 4 years
TIGERS	Jim Leyland	Signed thru 2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	Club option for 2013
TWINS	Ron Gardernhire	Signed thru 2013
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	Signed thru 2018
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	Signed thru 2014
MARINERS	Eric Wedge	Signed thru 2013
RANGERS	Ron Washington	Signed thru 2014
ASTROS	Brad Mills	=#FF0000]Fired in August	Bo Porter hired for 2013 - ??

[Frayed Knot]

So the Rockies, in search for their new manager, are apparently talking to ... wait for it ... Jason Giambi

It's long been said that he's been a guy fairly popular with and appreciated by his teammates over the years, and the players certainly don't care about the roids stuff the way fans and media types do.
But he still would have been somewhere around guess number 1,324 if you had asked me for likely candidates.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I think the industry might be taking notice of the White Sox and their success with Ozzie and now Ventura, out-of-the-box selections and accomplished players.

[Frayed Knot]

I was wondering whether there'll be a trend in the near future towards younger managers in general, partially in the wake of Ventura and Matheny.
Of course it's not like Davey & Dusty haven't done well lately also.