RA Deserves His Own Thread

[seawolf17]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I definitely, unquestionably find a trade for RA over the winter. There's nobody on this roster who has more value right now.

[Frayed Knot]

seawolf17 wrote: I know I'm in the minority here, but I definitely, unquestionably find a trade for RA over the winter. There's nobody on this roster who has more value right now.

Keith was making the case for that a few weeks ago.
Not trying to say that it was a 'Had To' move, just one that was likely to fill the most holes elsewhere while not touching the good young players you'd want to keep (Niese, Harvey, etc.)

[Edgy MD]

While very much disagreeing, is it necessarily true that there's nobody who has more value? Dickey on a cheap one-year deal vs., say, control of Matt Harvey or Zach Wheeler for six?

I say, if he has so much value, let him keep feeding it to me directly.

[metirish]

seawolf17 wrote: I know I'm in the minority here, but I definitely, unquestionably find a trade for RA over the winter. There's nobody on this roster who has more value right now.

I just don't see how you can expect to get prime prospects or ML ready players for a guy his age no matter how good he has been. I think he is more valuable as a Met player than as trade bait, if you are looking to fill holes like in the OF with trades then you would look to trade Harvey or those kids with real value?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Dickey's 2013 will be more valuable to another team (a team more likely to contend than the Mets are) than it will be to the Mets. If you trade him, you're selling high.

Harvey is more likely to contribute to a contending Mets team, if not in 2014 than in 2016 or 2017. (Let's hope it doesn't take that long.)

Even if you can get more for Harvey, and you probably can, he's someone you'll need to replace down the road. Harvey's 2015 is more likely to be better than Dickey's 2015.

[seawolf17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Dickey's 2013 will be more valuable to another team (a team more likely to contend than the Mets are) than it will be to the Mets. If you trade him, you're selling high. Harvey is more likely to contribute to a contending Mets team, if not in 2014 than in 2016 or 2017. (Let's hope it doesn't take that long.) Even if you can get more for Harvey, and you probably can, he's someone you'll need to replace down the road. Harvey's 2015 is more likely to be better than Dickey's 2015.

This.

[Edgy MD]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Dickey's 2013 will be more valuable to another team (a team more likely to contend than the Mets are) than it will be to the Mets. If you trade him, you're selling high. Harvey is more likely to contribute to a contending Mets team, if not in 2014 than in 2016 or 2017. (Let's hope it doesn't take that long.) Even if you can get more for Harvey, and you probably can, he's someone you'll need to replace down the road. Harvey's 2015 is more likely to be better than Dickey's 2015.

I don't know. If the statement is that there's nobody on the team that has more value right now, it seems ambiguous with regard to future and present value.

I'm terribly excited by this coming offseason, and I hope Dickey is a part of it, and I hope the Mets younger pitchers assert themselves to the point where Dickey could continue to be a big part of this team even as he becomes the third or fourth best pitcher in the rotation.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I hope he stays too. My point was only that it would be better to trade Dickey than Harvey, even if Dickey brings back less.

[batmagadanleadoff]

If they can finish 20 games out with him, they can finish 20 games out without him.

[metirish]

So, if we go with the idea that there is no more valuable player on the team right now what or who are you wanting when you trade him in a few months?

Is there are good catching prospect or starter out there?

[Edgy MD]

With respect to the Branch Rickey paraphrase, I have greater aspirations than finishing 20 games out, and even that modest goal is harder without Dickey. We'll see.

Most trade partners are going to have a similar calculus to the relative value of birds in hand and birds in bush, so the scale has to tip meaningfully. If nothing else, Sandy seems to have shown himself to be a conservative trader.

[Benjamin Grimm]

A team with better hopes for 2013 would have a different bird-in-hand/bird-in-bush perspective than a team further away from contention.

The Mets, for example, would be foolish to trade a young studly outfielder (if they had one) for a 38-year-old pitcher, even one who was a Cy Young candidate. But a team with a few young studly outfielders that feels like they were a pitcher away from making the 2012 playoffs could very well see things differently.

[Edgy MD]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: A team with better hopes for 2013 would have a different bird-in-hand/bird-in-bush perspective than a team further away from contention.

In theory, sure. We'll see. They will still drive for the best bargain they can.

[ashie62]

How long before R.A. is approached to do a reality show?

[Edgy MD]

Baseball is a reality show.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Edgy DC wrote: Baseball is a reality show.

I was going to say the same thing.

[Edgy MD]

And I hope the Mets approach with an offer to shoot three more seasons.

[ashie62]

Edgy DC wrote: And I hope the Mets approach with an offer to shoot three more seasons.

I fear R.A. has become a financial luxury to these owners at this point and will be dispatched somewhere.

Upside? You get Wright for 8 years or so.

Its' really kind of sad...

[G-Fafif]

MUST BE 20 OR OVER TO BE ADMITTED

25
Seaver (25-7) 1969

24
Gooden (24-4) 1985

22
Seaver (22-9) 1975

21
Seaver (21-12) 1972
Koosman (21-10) 1976

20
Seaver (20-10) 1971
Cone (20-3) 1988
Viola (20-12) 1990
DICKEY (20-6) 2012

R.A., yes, but fuckin' A as well.

Fuckin' A!

[Edgy MD]

Ashie62 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: And I hope the Mets approach with an offer to shoot three more seasons. I fear R.A. has become a financial luxury to these owners at this point and will be dispatched somewhere. Upside? You get Wright for 8 years or so. Its' really kind of sad...

Prediction archives.

[batmagadanleadoff]

[Benjamin Grimm]

ERA: Kershaw 2.68, Dickey 2.69, Cain 2.77, Lohse 2.77, Cueto 2.83.
Strikeouts: Dickey 222, Kershaw 211, Hamels 208, Gonzalez 207.
Wins: Gonzalez 21, Dickey 20, Cueto 19.

Doesn't look like Dickey (unless he does some kind of relief appearance thing) will be able to win Wins outright, but a tie for the lead is very possible. ERA is oh-so-close. Strikeouts looks most promising. (How many more starts does Kershaw have?)

[batmagadanleadoff]

Kershaw is slated to start tonight. The Dodgers have six games remaining, so Kershaw can also pitch the Dodgers last game of the season on normal rest. According to some reports though, Kershaw, because of his hip, will be shut down if the Dodgers are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. The Dodgers cannot win their division, but are three games behind the Cards for the last Wild Card play-in slot.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: (How many more starts does Kershaw have?)

One, maybe two.

[Guest themetfairy]

While they were Takin' Care of Business yesterday, Mike Baxter made sure that R.A. got the game ball -

[HahnSolo]

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Damn you Robert Johnson, stealing R.A.'s press and what not.

[Edgy MD]

Back with the two dollar words.

As for his summary of the season, he added: "Life doesn't always agree with your vision for it. Maybe never. Maybe rarely. In this particular year, it has superseded any expectation that I had. I certainly have a big imagination, and I dream big. But I couldn't even dream this narrative up. It's really kind of supernatural for me, and I'm just trying to be in the moment with it and really enjoy it, because I've also been on the other side of the coin. I got picked up off the scrap heap. So I've been there, too. I've been part of the scrap heap, too. That gives me a very unique perspective."

[smg58]

http://deadspin.com/5947192?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Worth a read.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

R.A. Turkey broke his wing but now gobbles up batters.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

So when do they announce the Cy Young awards?

[Frayed Knot]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: So when do they announce the Cy Young awards?

November 14