IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Hensley's a former MFY, right?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

bmfc1 wrote: The 9th inning was a battle of over-managing. If the SFG hold on, Terry lost the battle by PH'ing Baxter, a rookie, for Cedeno, a veteran, when all you needed was a fly ball. If that's how little Terry thinks of Cedeno then Cedeno has no business being on the team.

Battle's not over yet.

Hensley for Romo-- unless he REALLY thinks Romo is gassed after facing four batters/throwing ten pitches with a break in the middle-- is questionable; he's a sinker guy, but if he lets one sit up to Ike...

And he's bringing in Huff for, um, veteran outfield moral support?

Edited April 20, 2012 by Guest

[Piggiestomatoes]

Edgy DC wrote: Wow, Ike up in the buntiest of situations must be murder on managers.

That works.

[Fman99]

Well, Ike moves em up. C'mon, Bay, you overpaid Canadian fuck.

[Frayed Knot]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Hensley's a former MFY, right?

No, you're thinking of former future hitting "Star" Hensley 'Bam-Bam' Muelens.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Jesus H.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Freaking Bay. What is that, the only time he can't hit a fly ball?

[metirish]

Christ

[Gwreck]

Just totally unacceptable by Bay.

[Piggiestomatoes]

In Bay's defense, the first bad strike call really fucked him up.

[Edgy MD]

That does seem to hurt a guy.

[Guest Kong76]

Boo Hoo!!!

[Fman99]

Fucking hell.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Lucas worked him, but that's on Bay.

[bmfc1]

Frigging fly ball would have won it in the 9th and tied it in the 10th. Awful.

[Edgy MD]

Welp, we're 7-6.

Need to find some confidence in the middle of our offense.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

sucks. That was the most exciting game of the year.

And wtf with the 4 pitch walks Frank

[Frayed Knot]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Lucas worked him, but that's on Bay.

As long as we're assigning blame, Ike left about 57 runners on today and never got a ball out of the infield in five shots.

[Guest Kong76]

Not really in the mood to defend Bay, but he got dicked
on called strike two there and pretty much 'had' to swing
on the third one.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Bobby Scales (switch hitter, utility IF/OF and 34 years old) is killing it in Buffalo. He might do a better job of preserving the bench than Baxter. Might not too, but...

[Edgy MD]

A lot of good things happened yesterday. The win wasn't one of them, sadly, and the team finds themselves behind the eight ball in game two for the first time this year. But I think they're learning a lot about what they can do. The problem is you have to learn faster than your health can hold out.

Francisco is going to be a goofmonster all year, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear whispers of how not being in a save situation affects his effectiveness. I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well.

Bleah! I sure hope that doesn't happen. Hopefully they'll turn to Rauch or Parnell before that happens.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well.

I've heard it, not in serious 'do this' comments but in the sense of it being an option. Innings limits/big league exposure/etc. whether or not the Mets are 'in it'. Grab some junk innings, probably not as a closer unless they're hopelessly out of it and next year's closer isn't on the team.

If his personal progression is that he's likely ticketed to at least compete for a rotation spot next year, they may want to 'break him in' this year.

[Frayed Knot]

Francisco is going to be a goofmonster all year, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear whispers of how not being in a save situation affects his effectiveness.

Headline in MetsBlog: "Frank Francisco is a different pitcher in non-save situations"

The article goes on the quote the stats which show that he indeed has been a different pitcher so far - and that's all fine except of course for the fact that we're talking all of 3 outings each for both saves and non.
But then it goes on to talk about how Frankie-Frankie "looks different" when it's a non-save outing, and about how the "energy and presence" aren't the same, never questioning which is the cause and which the effect. Personally I haven't seen too many pitchers who look all commanding and stuff out there while giving up hits.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well. I've heard it, not in serious 'do this' comments but in the sense of it being an option. Innings limits/big league exposure/etc. whether or not the Mets are 'in it'. Grab some junk innings, probably not as a closer unless they're hopelessly out of it and next year's closer isn't on the team. If his personal progression is that he's likely ticketed to at least compete for a rotation spot next year, they may want to 'break him in' this year.

What if he's up, grabbing some junk innings, and doing very well, and the Mets are hopelessly in it, the rotation is stable, but they don't have an effective finisher?

It's a ways off, but sometimes these things happen that way, and it's not so bad if they do.

[Ceetar]

I'd like to see the comparison for closers in save situations that the team has the lead early versus save situations that were created via a comeback in the 8th versus non-save situations that aren't save situations because the team scored in the last half inning to put it out of reach.

i.e. not that it's an 'adrenaline' thing but simply a prep thing.



Harvey: I dunno, it seems unlikely the Mets are 'in it' if they don't have anybody they trust to finish games when September rolls around. But if Harvey helped them close out games into the playoffs, he'd be so hyped this offseason you'd almost want to trade him for Buster Posey AND Tim Lincecum.

[Edgy MD]

Plenty of teams remain in playoff contention without a top-tier closer. Plenty of teams persist as contenders after appointing a new closer in the final two months. Happens every day and in every corner of the baseball world.