MLB Draft (June 4-6)

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

As per the horse's mouth, Reynolds (2), Boyd (6), Taylor (11), Flexen (14), Massie (24), and Leroux (32) are OFFICIALLY in the bag.

That bumps the BA above .500 (21 out of 40).

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Stanky holding out for the big $$.

[Frayed Knot]

Friday is the deadline for 2012 draftees to sign.
Teddy Stankiewicz, 2nd round - 75th overall, is the only one of the Met top 16 picks not to sign so far.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2012xteam.php?team=1013

[Benjamin Grimm]

Let's all camp out on his driveway until he signs.

[Frayed Knot]

OCCUPY STANKIEWICZ

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Friday is the deadline for 2012 draftees to sign. Teddy Stankiewicz, 2nd round - 75th overall, is the only one of the Met top 16 picks not to sign so far. http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2012xteam.php?team=1013

how much money do the Mets have left?

[Frayed Knot]

Friday is the deadline for 2012 draftees to sign. Teddy Stankiewicz, 2nd round - 75th overall, is the only one of the Met top 16 picks not to sign so far. http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2012xteam.php?team=1013 how much money do the Mets have left?

As that link notes, the Mets have currently spent $185,600 under their allotment for the guys they've already signed.
So if they throw that amount all at Stankiewicz they could pay him the $680,400 that his slot dictates plus the 185,600 "left over" and go as high as 866K.
They could go higher still if they go under slot for some of the remaining unsigned players but they can NOT simply used money from players who don't sign at all and throw that towards just one or two players. Slot money for players who don't sign is simply lost.

[Edgy MD]

The Mets have plenty of money left. They're just artificially constrained from using most of it.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: As that link notes, the Mets have currently spent $185,600 under their allotment for the guys they've already signed. So if they throw that amount all at Stankiewicz they could pay him the $680,400 that his slot dictates plus the 185,600 "left over" and go as high as 866K. They could go higher still if they go under slot for some of the remaining unsigned players but they can NOT simply used money from players who don't sign at all and throw that towards just one or two players. Slot money for players who don't sign is simply lost.

Thanks.

866 seems like a nice chunk. Maybe the hold up is the Mets and him negotiating how much of that 185600 he gets.

Isn't there some marginal room for error with the cap? They don't lose a pick of they go 10k over do they?

[Frayed Knot]

There are fines for going over a certain amount and then draft picks for going further over.

866K is a decent chunk of change but not if you think you're worth more and/or will be worth even more by taking the college route and trying things again in three years.

[Vic Sage]

go to college, Teddy, and git yourself an edjamacation.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: There are fines for going over a certain amount and then draft picks for going further over. 866K is a decent chunk of change but not if you think you're worth more and/or will be worth even more by taking the college route and trying things again in three years.

Well sure, but the flip side is not being as good, getting drafted lower down and not getting the money anyway, getting injured on the way, etc.

[Edgy MD]

Taylor's on board. Help me find out which of these backenders signed. Wasn't able to find any others appearing for Brooklyn or Kingsport.

1 Gavin Cecchini, ss (HS) SIGNED
1 Kevin Plawecki, c (Col) SIGNED
2 Matt Reynolds, 3b (Col) SIGNED
2 Teddy Stankiewicz, p (HS)
3 Matt Koch, p (Col) SIGNED
4 Branden Kaupe, ss (HS) SIGNED
5 Brandon Welch, p (Col) SIGNED
6 Jayce Boyd, 1b (Col) SIGNED
7 Corey Oswalt, p (HS) SIGNED
8 Tomas Nido, c (HS) SIGNED
9 Richie Rodriguez, 2b (Col) SIGNED
10 Paul Sewald, p (Col) SIGNED
11 Logan Taylor, p (Col) =#FF8000]SIGNED
12 Robert Whalen, p (HS) SIGNED
13 Matt Bowman, p (Col) SIGNED
14 Chris Flexen, p (HS) SIGNED
15 Nicholas Grant, p (HS)
16 Myles Smith, p (Col)
17 Stefan Sabol, c (Col) SIGNED
18 Paul Paez, p (Col)
19 Tyler Vanderheiden, p (Col) SIGNED
20 Tim Peterson, p (Col) SIGNED
21 Gary Ward, p (Col)
22 Tejay Antone, p (HS)
23 Connor Baits, p (HS)
24 Andrew Massie, p (HS) SIGNED
25 Leon Byrd, 2b (HS)
26 Chris Shaw, 1b (HSl)
27 Zach Arnold, c (HS)
28 Jacob Marks, p (HS)
29 Austin Barr, c (HS)
30 Dustin Cook, p (HS)
31 Vance Vizcaino, ss (HS)
32 Jon Leroux, 1b (Col) SIGNED
33 Jared Price, p (HS)
34 Mikey White, ss (HS)
35 Brad Markey, p (Col)
36 Donovan Walton, ss (HS)
37 Benny Distefano, c (HS)
38 Jeff Reynolds, 3b (Col) =#FF8000]SIGNED
39 Patrick Ervin, 2b (HS)
40 David Gonzalez, p (HS)

[nymr83]

Marlins refuse to offer the 9th overall pick even MLB's "slot" money. Reports saying he won't sign.

I hope he decides to get a lawyer and challenge the draft.

He's a college Junior so going back to school and signing next year for less is always a possibility, but I'm intrigued to see what would happen in court.

What are the chances Bud steps in and strong-arms the Marlins into offering "slot" given that he is the big proponent of the slot system and his desire to avoid court?

[Edgy MD]

Well, that's one funny thing about the slots --- more than creating an artificial ceiling, it creates something of an artificial floor.

I hope the whole system explodes.

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: Marlins refuse to offer the 9th overall pick even MLB's "slot" money. Reports saying he won't sign. I hope he decides to get a lawyer and challenge the draft. He's a college Junior so going back to school and signing next year for less is always a possibility, but I'm intrigued to see what would happen in court. What are the chances Bud steps in and strong-arms the Marlins into offering "slot" given that he is the big proponent of the slot system and his desire to avoid court?

slim to none I would think given that it's all completely within the rules.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ceetar wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Marlins refuse to offer the 9th overall pick even MLB's "slot" money. Reports saying he won't sign. I hope he decides to get a lawyer and challenge the draft. He's a college Junior so going back to school and signing next year for less is always a possibility, but I'm intrigued to see what would happen in court. What are the chances Bud steps in and strong-arms the Marlins into offering "slot" given that he is the big proponent of the slot system and his desire to avoid court? slim to none I would think given that it's all completely within the rules.

Rules built upon exceedingly shaky legal ground. All it will take is one challenge.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Marlins refuse to offer the 9th overall pick even MLB's "slot" money. Reports saying he won't sign. I hope he decides to get a lawyer and challenge the draft. He's a college Junior so going back to school and signing next year for less is always a possibility, but I'm intrigued to see what would happen in court. What are the chances Bud steps in and strong-arms the Marlins into offering "slot" given that he is the big proponent of the slot system and his desire to avoid court? slim to none I would think given that it's all completely within the rules. Rules built upon exceedingly shaky legal ground. All it will take is one challenge.

I'd be shocked if any legal challenge was upheld against MLB and the draft.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yeah you would.

[Edgy MD]

Callis says sources have Stanky willing to go at slot level ($680,400), but the Mets haven't offered that.

[Frayed Knot]

Several legal challenges have been made against the even more restrictive NFL draft -- one that not only tells newcomers who they must work for and for how much but also dictates a small window as to when they can apply to enter -- but they've been quickly shot down based on the logic that those are agreements reached through collective bargaining so whatever restrictions exist meet the approval of both sides.
The counter to that is that the restrictions affect those not yet employed but that tactic hasn't worked yet either.

In baseball Boras has tried chipping away at the fringes of the whole draft framework but rarely gets a player around it.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: Several legal challenges have been made against the even more restrictive NFL draft -- one that not only tells newcomers who they must work for and for how much but also dictates a small window as to when they can apply to enter -- but they've been quickly shot down based on the logic that those are agreements reached through collective bargaining so whatever restrictions exist meet the approval of both sides. The counter to that is that the restrictions affect those not yet employed but that tactic hasn't worked yet either. In baseball Boras has tried chipping away at the fringes of the whole draft framework but rarely gets a player around it.

One practical (and large, in my mind) difference between NFL and MLB is that while both uniong are effectively negotiating away the rights of future members to ensure more for current ones, the NFLPA is ONLY bargaining with the rights of its own future members... 100% of NFL draftees who sign that initial contract immediately become members of the union and subject to all the collectively bargained pros and cons thereof, right?
In baseball, the draftees sign a contract and then DON'T get to join the union and gain benefits- they only get the downside negotiated on their behalf by a union that they are NOT invited to join upon signing their first contract.
Maybe you are for both drafts in their current form, maybe you are against the, maybe you have other views, but I think the distinction I'm making is somewhat compelling morally, if not legally.

[Frayed Knot]

It has nothing to do with me being for or against either draft; I'm just saying that an even more restrictive draft than the one governing the entrance to MLB has already survived several legal challenges with flying colors.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: It has nothing to do with me being for or against either draft; I'm just saying that an even more restrictive draft than the one governing the entrance to MLB has already survived several legal challenges with flying colors.

yeah, that's what I was inferring. I'm staying out of the ethical question. Do NFL guys immediately get into the union? or do you have to 'make the team' at least beyond the practice squad or however they divy it up?

[Frayed Knot]

So Stankiewicz becomes the only one of the top 15 NYM picks not to sign and, at 75th overall, the 2nd highest drafted player to delay a pro career -- Mark Appel, the 8th overall pick by the Pirates is returning to Stanford for his senior year.
If Stanky goes on to JuCo it would make him eligible for anyone to pick again next year.

I believe this gives the Mets a extra pick in a similar spot in next year's draft.

[Edgy MD]

Good for the Mets.

And one more thing that gives teams unfair leverage over the player.

[Edgy MD]

Cecchini done for the year with a finger fracture.

"I'm not one to estimate recovery time. Fortunately, he's already had a pretty full year," diga PdeP.

[ashie62]

Kids, get an education...

[Frayed Knot]

Quickie updates from John Sickels on the progress (however brief) of early 2012 draft picks

Round 1 - Supp
35) Kevin Plawecki, C, New York Mets: .252/.356/.371 with 19 walks, 16 strikeouts in 159 at-bats for Brooklyn in the New York-Penn League.
Has thrown out 32% of runners. Not great, but showing plate management skills that were present in college.

Round 2
71) Matt Reynolds, SS-3B, New York Mets: .258/.331/.348 with 12 walks, 25 strikeouts in 155 at-bats for Low-A Savannah in the Sally League.
Playing well at shortstop after projecting on draft day as a third baseman. Hitting stats aren't great, but he's jumping from college to full-season ball.

Round 2
75) Teddy Stankiewicz, RHP, New York Mets:
Didn't sign. Off to Seminole JC.

Round 3
107) Matt Koch, RHP, New York Mets: 5.52 ERA with 12/6 K/BB in 15 innings for Brooklyn Cyclones in NY-P, 15 hits, 0.94 GO/AO.
Pitched well at first but roughed up in last couple of outings.

Round 4
140) Branden Kaupe, SS, New York Mets: .174/.373/.193 with 34 walks, 35 strikeouts in 114 at-bats for Kingsport in the Appalachian League.
Has struggled in conversion to 2B. Other than drawing walks, he's been terrible so far, but you know the next phrase: he's just 18.

[Frayed Knot]

2012 NYM Draft Review from BA

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2012/2614209.html



Mets hold the 11th overall pick in the 2013 draft btw.