Pelfrey in 2012

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Right. There's no need to cut Pelfrey loose prematurely. If you can retain him at an acceptable price, you might as well keep him in the mix. If he does go to arbitration, and wins more money than the Mets want to spend, they're not obligated to pay it, are they? If I understand correctly, they can release him before spring training and not be on the hook at all, or perhaps for a small portion of the contract.

Does that rule apply to non-free agent arbitration? I guess it's all the same.

The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut within 16 days before the season begins, he is entitled only to 30 days� termination pay. If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins, he is entitled only to 45 days� termination pay. Read more at Suite101: How Baseball Arbitration Works: MLB Rules Governing the Eligibility and Process of Arbitration | Suite101.com http://jameslincolnray.suite101.com/how-baseball-arbitration-works-a45599#ixzz1Z48uFcAU

I'd be surprised if they don't agree to terms though.

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bmfc1 wrote: I voted with my heart as I hope that he will be non-tendered the second the season ends. I never want to see him pitch for the Mets again. I know that there are logical reasons for keeping him but I don't care.

Same here.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Hasn't everybody and his sister mocked the pre-Alderson Mets for being everything but smart? Now we want theme to forsake doing the smart thing for doing the thing that satisfies bloodlust?

I salute them for letting the Perez and Castillo cases play themselves out, rather than acting rashly. It think they're doing OK. I think every team has a whipping boy and Pelf has inherited the job, but it seems smarter to me to focus on developing and getting better players rather than shedding bad ones. If you do the former, the latter takes care of itself.

[bmfc1]

"Bloodlust"? What has he done to jusitfy a spot on the Mets roster in '12?

[Gwreck]

He threw 193 innings with a WAR of 1.1.

[Ceetar]

bmfc1 wrote: "Bloodlust"? What has he done to jusitfy a spot on the Mets roster in '12?

Been better than D.J. Carrasco for one. (He's on the roster next year unless they cut him. You want him to start?)

Pitched to a mediocre 4 ERA through the summer months, with almost every game eminently
winable if the excellent Mets offense wasn't on the DL and they played better defense.

More importantly for '12, he's under team control, has ability, and is a hard worker. Hopefully with plenty to work on (and maybe some better direction) he comes out next year closer to 2010 than 2011.

He's gotta get the sinker back, but his peripherial stats are pretty much in line with his entire career. Which is reason to expect somewhat of a bounceback.

[metirish]

Pelfrey is a hard worker?, no way of knowing what the truth is but my thinking on that if I give it thought is that he's the opposite of a hard worker. What does being a hard worker mean anyway?

[Guest Edgy DC]

"Bloodlust?"

I don't think that's too poor a term to characterize a wish for the end of a Mets career to be immediate, retributive, and regardless of what a detached cost/benefit analysis might recommend.

We've used the term before. MFS62 is making cracks about buying a mob hit on him.

What has he done to jusitfy a spot on the Mets roster in '12?

I don't mean to necessarily suggest he's done much at all. But when it's him vs. Schwinden, I'm reluctant to pull the trigger. When it's him vs. Capuano, I'd have to look at the price tag.

[Vic Sage]

What has he done to jusitfy a spot on the Mets roster in '12?

it's not what he's done, it's what he is... property under team control. If they find somebody better at a cheaper price, or a trade partner who see more value in him than Sandy does, he'll be replaced. The rest is scapegoating. Yeah, he sucked this year. He has sucked less in past years, and he's young enough to suck less in future years. I won't miss him if he's gone, but non-tendering him is an emotional reaction, not good business judgment. While i expect that of fans, I would expect more of Sandy.

[Vic Sage]

What does being a hard worker mean anyway?

i'm just guessing here, but i might think that phrase means he works hard.

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Pelfrey is a hard worker?, no way of knowing what the truth is but my thinking on that if I give it thought is that he's the opposite of a hard worker. What does being a hard worker mean anyway?

Just my perception from what I hear him say and reported. He seems to have a good worth ethic, puts in his time, tries new pitches, etc. Certainly no good way of knowing the truth. There are surely signs the other way too, but I doubt there are very many 'lazy' baseball players.

[metirish]

Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: Pelfrey is a hard worker?, no way of knowing what the truth is but my thinking on that if I give it thought is that he's the opposite of a hard worker. What does being a hard worker mean anyway? Just my perception from what I hear him say and reported. He seems to have a good worth ethic, puts in his time, tries new pitches, etc. Certainly no good way of knowing the truth. There are surely signs the other way too, but I doubt there are very many 'lazy' baseball players.

Yeah, if he were 20-5 I'd think he's a great worker I suppose, perception can be a bitch with a team like this.

[G-Fafif]

Via whichever process is most net-beneficial to the Mets' fortunes, I non-virulently hope Mike Pelfrey finds fulfillment and tranquility in another uniform next year.

[bmfc1]

Vic Sage makes a good point about him being under "control" and it being a question of finding a better option. I can't imagine many worse options and don't want any more time wasted on him. No matter how they get rid of him, so long as they do will be fine with me.

[Gwreck]

bmfc1 wrote: I can't imagine many worse options

All due respect, I don't think you're trying hard enough. What about trying to fill Pelfrey's 200 innings with more Miguel Batista and Chris Schwinden?

[Vic Sage]

I can't imagine many worse options

That demonstrates a dearth of imagination on your part.
What i can't imagine are Mets fans who don't routinely shutter at the memory of substantially worse, higher-paid, less healthy, much older starters with far less potential than Pelfrey who have littered the Mets' rotation throughout the history of the franchise.

let's make a list, chronologically. I'll start:
Roger Craig - 62-63
Al Jackson - 62-65
Galen Cisco - 63-65
Tracy Stallard - 63-64
Jack Fisher - 64-67
Bob Shaw - 66-67

ok, i'm bored already.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Oliver Perez.

(Talk about bloodlust.)

[G-Fafif]

Having faith Sandy Alderson can expand the potential 2012 options to encompass something more than September stopgaps, glaring washouts and Mike Pelfrey.

[bmfc1]

I have complete confidence that Sandy Alderson and Jonah Hill will be able to find a better use for a roster spot than Mike Pelfrey.

Edited September 26, 2011 by Guest

[Ceetar]

bmfc1 wrote: I have completed confidence that Sandy Alderson and Jonah Hill will be able to find a better use for a roster spot than Mike Pelfrey.

And if they do, Santana is probably healthy, coupled with Niese and Dickey and Gee the Mets should be right there to compete for the division.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

If Pelf weren't this team's former first-round pick, he'd be a cheaper Trachsel.

I'd still curse if he were pitching a game I were attending... but yeah, there's pricier/worse (or much-pricier/not-likely-to-be-much-better), and that comprises most of the free-agent pitchers this offseason.

Erik Bedard (33)
Mark Buehrle (33)
Chris Capuano (33)
Bruce Chen (35)
Bartolo Colon (39)
Aaron Cook (33) - $11MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Kyle Davies (28)
Doug Davis (36)
Ryan Dempster (35) - $14MM player option, no buyout
Zach Duke (29) - $5.5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Jeff Francis (30)
Freddy Garcia (36)
Jon Garland (32) - $8MM club option with a $500K buyout
Aaron Harang (34) - $5MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Rich Harden (30)
Livan Hernandez (37)
Hisashi Iwakuma (31)
Edwin Jackson (28)
Kenshin Kawakami (37)
Scott Kazmir (28) - $13.5MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Hiroki Kuroda (37)
Rodrigo Lopez (36)
Paul Maholm (30) - $9.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
Jason Marquis (33)
Kevin Millwood (37)
Sergio Mitre (31)
Roy Oswalt (34) - $16MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Brad Penny (34)
Oliver Perez (30)
Joel Pineiro (33)
C.C. Sabathia (31) - may opt out of remaining four years, $92MM
Javier Vazquez (35)
Tsuyoshi Wada (31)
Adam Wainwright (30) - $10MM vesting option for '12, $12MM for '13
Tim Wakefield (45)
Chien-Ming Wang (32)
Brandon Webb (33)
Dontrelle Willis (30)
C.J. Wilson (31)
Chris Young (33)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Good pitching don't grow on trees.

Wonder if Pelf woulda been better served over the long haul staying within Rick Petersen's more rigid confines. Less f'ing around with everything, more attention on getting the stuff he has consistent and accurate.

I'm sure Warthen is a genius in his own right, but he seems to be out of ideas to save Pelf. Carrasco and Iggyrashy too.

[metirish]

What I'd give to be a below average shite pitcher like some of that lot above, why yes, I'll gladly take $9 mills to be shite for you.

[Ceetar]

Actually, give me Mark Buehrle in a heartbeat.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't like irish's attitude and I think Alderson should think long and hard before signing him.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: I don't like irish's attitude and I think Alderson should think long and hard before signing him.

Plus, you pitching coach would need an interpreter. ("You're feeling 'chuffed?' So... I should warm up the lefty, then?")

[metirish]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't like irish's attitude and I think Alderson should think long and hard before signing him. Plus, you pitching coach would need an interpreter. ("You're feeling 'chuffed?' So... I should warm up the lefty, then?")

Pete Flynn, sounds the same as the day he came from Leitrim in 1962.

[G-Fafif]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't like irish's attitude and I think Alderson should think long and hard before signing him. Plus, you pitching coach would need an interpreter. ("You're feeling 'chuffed?' So... I should warm up the lefty, then?")

"Chuffed? Trainer's got something for that, kid. Sprinkle it liberally and then strap it on. We've still got a shot at third place."

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: Actually, give me Mark Buehrle in a heartbeat.

Because even if he sucked as much as Pelfrey he'd be more tolerable simply on account of his bad games only taking half as long.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Actually, give me Mark Buehrle in a heartbeat. Because even if he sucked as much as Pelfrey he'd be more tolerable simply on account of his bad games only taking half as long.

Buehrle's been a pretty consistenty good pitcher for a long time.