WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

[TransMonk]

Frayed Knot wrote: Wise pulls a Muffy, but then Muffy pulls a Muffy.

That earned a chortle!

[metsmarathon]

[facepalm]

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Got that play covered from both ends, doesn't he?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Bear down, Izzy!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, that didn't work out.

[TransMonk]

Wow.

[metirish]

LOL

[Piggiestomatoes]

Oy. I want to see Murph cry.

Edited August 1, 2011 by Guest

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Are you kidding me? That's a page right out of last year's script.

[Guest Edgy DC]

^^ Yup.

Gotta go after these big guys early in the count. You get behind them with nowhere to put them and they know you're going to feed them one.

[metirish]

Keith earlier when reviewing the Murphy play last night wondered if Murphy had good or any baseball instincts, then said he thought he didn't and has proven it over and over....I paraphrase there but he was tough on him.

[Ceetar]

granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble.

But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton.

[smg58]

OK so what happened? (The GS I know about.)

[metirish]

Ceetar wrote: granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble. But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton.

WOW

[Ceetar]

smg58 wrote: OK so what happened? (The GS I know about.)

1 out, on the third hit of the inning to Duda, Murphy cuts it off, the runner doesn't round third, and the runner at first takes the turn and runs to second. He's halfway when he realizes and starts retreating. Murphy runs at him, and as he gets close, glances to third a little too long, which gives the runner an opportunity to dive back to first safely.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Izzy fucked up, plain and simple including that hit to a 180-hitting weakling with fucking Stanton on deck. That old fart can retire for all I care.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Is a late-inning reliever without strikeout stuff really a late-inning reliever?

[Guest Edgy DC]

If you use him to relieve in the late innings, I guess so. And he kinda gets his strikeouts here and there also. He's at 7.9/9 --- which ain't Randy Myeers, but is above his career rate.

[Ceetar]

yeah, he's a decent strikeout guy, and if he had thrown the pitch that either Ron or Keith suggested he probably would've gotten the K there. (the same pitch he threw 2-2)

Still, Mike Stanton is pretty good, and I know it's extra innings and saving pitchers and the first two hits were seeing eye singles, but I wouldn't have keep Izzy on the mound there.

[Frayed Knot]

The proper play (for Murphy) - as Keith was saying - was to get the ball to Turner covering 1st behind the runner. That way he's trapped with no place to go except dislodge the other runners who wouldn't dare abandon their base at that point lest they make things worse.

Edited August 1, 2011 by Guest

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: 1 out, on the third hit of the inning to Duda, Murphy cuts it off, the runner doesn't round third, and the runner at first takes the turn and runs to second. He's halfway when he realizes and starts retreating. Murphy runs at him, and as he gets close, glances to third a little too long, which gives the runner an opportunity to dive back to first safely.

You also forgot that instead of making a normal, overhand throw to Turner at first, Murphy flipped it sideways like a moron.

To answer your question earlier, YES, people DO know what do to in that situation because they practice it. Rundowns and having runners hung up on the bases is indeed practiced and Murphy just fucked up, plain and simple. Hitting aside, he's not a good baseball player.

[ashie62]

Ceetar wrote: granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble. But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton.

Lets say with Murphy it has become a trend.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: The proper play (for Murphy) - as Keith was saying - was to get the ball to Turner covering 1st behind the runner. That way he's trapped with no place to go except dislodge the other runners who wouldn't dare abandon their base at that point lest they make things worse.

yes, truly, but Turner wasn't even calling for the ball either, which he probably should've been right away. Not that I fault him there, but hey, Murphy could use some guidance if you've got an answer.

My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first.

Anyway, there was so many things wrong with that game. As far as Murphy's defense in terms of costing them the win? He's probably like 8th.

[Frayed Knot]

My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first.

He held onto it MUCH too long.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first. He held onto it MUCH too long.

it was only like 2 seconds, seems like longer. he was nearly at the runner when he slowed to look at third before attempting to tag him. It was more the looking away than not throwing to first that opened the door for him to get back to first.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I was out running on this one, so it was Wayne Hagin and Ed Coleman for me. Howie is on extended vacation.

I loved the top of the 9th for being revenge on Wayne Hagin who spent the final innings talking about how great Leo F. Nunez is. Really. He relayed this whole story about how McKeon and the Marlins teased Nunez that he'd been traded the other day, compared him favorably to Robb Nen, and mostly spoke as if he was the best thing ever. He even said there was "no heir apparent" when it was plainly obvious to anyone that Mujica had superior numbers and in fact was blowing away the Mets as he spoke.

Duda hit his home run just after I turned off the Williamsburg Bridge heading home, and I was like "Yeah! F you, Wayne!" (Wayne earlier had me wondering for half-a-mile whether Ramirez had advanced to second on Reyes' error or stayed at first, he never said).

Both Ed (who called the 10th) and Wayne were forgiving of the Muffy play, saying the important thing was making sure the run didn't score and noting the play happened behind him. I'm not going to watch the replay to be sure. They were still talkking about it (and not the fact that Isringhausen had sucked his way to a swing from disaster) when Stanton struck just as I arrived home -- less than 2 miles from the Duda bomb.

F you Mets but especially Wayne, Muffy, Ed, Izzy, and Chip "Razor" Hale for ruining my run.

[bmfc1]

He was overly concerned with the runner trying to score from 3d because if he throws it to Turner, Turner is facing the runner and can throw it to Thole (who might have dropped it but that's another story).

"One thing about Dan, he listens and listens and wants to learn and get better. We often forget, he didn't play last year. And we forget, two years ago he played outfield and first, and this year he played three different positions. And all he does is give his best effort. He makes some mistakes, but he's not the only guy out there doing it. The thing with Dan, when it's explained to him, I bet it never happens again." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2011/08/02/2011-08-02_murph_blunder_a_critical_error.html#ixzz1TrsTQM9C

That might never happen again but you know that something else will.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Guest

[bmfc1]

Howie's on vacation during the season? Is he conserving energy for the Islanders? Take a weekend off connected to the All-Star break but don't abandon us during the season. Gary doesn't take a vacation--he's not a weakling like Kay who skips numerous road trips.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Terrible job by Wayne, agreed. But I get the idea almost nightly that his heart beats for the other team. And I'm figuring out plays by the sound of the crowd well before he gets finished describing them.

But yeah, I'm with Terry on Pelfrey. It's an assbiting loss, but let's not make such a point of scapegoating.

[Ceetar]

bmfc1 wrote: Howie's on vacation during the season? Is he conserving energy for the Islanders? Take a weekend off connected to the All-Star break but don't abandon us during the season. Gary doesn't take a vacation--he's not a weakling like Kay who skips numerous road trips.

I've noticed Howie taking more and more time off lately. (Islanders season too) Maybe he's just getting older and the whole working all the time thing isn't as fun.