Dead Tradeline 2011

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

They didn't give up much, are getting paid to take him, and I guess, could use a RH bench power threat.

[MFS62]

Ceetar wrote: wait, why did the Nats trade for Gomes?

To fuck up my KTE.

Later

[seawolf17]

Ashie62 wrote: Renting out Beltran is going to return so little why not keep him for the fans and tell the other teams to fuck off.

Because the fans don't ACTUALLY give enough of a crap to buy tickets between now and the end of September, sadly.

[Guest Edgy DC]

When did it become a fact that he was going to bring so little in return?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Really, man. Tracky today quoted an anonymous Met exec on the truth of reports they'd lowered their asking price: "Nope."

[ashie62]

Beltran could be kept at 7 1/2 games back...

[Ceetar]

Think it was an Olney quote that said they weren't getting top prospect. Whatever. someone obviously has to take the dissenting point, to seem like they're doing the work of reading every GMs mind.

My intepretation of all the reports (which I'm not sure is any less accurate than anyone elses) is that if Alderson doesn't get someone he actually likes in return, he may just keep Beltran.

Between his and Terry's quotes I think they're competing to fielding a competitive team, even if that's only the .500 competitive they've been doing for a while now. With the Mets OF struggling (Lucas Duda may be the next best OFer..which is..disturbing) maybe they keep him. Or maybe that's just the threat Alderson's using to get that top prospect. who knows?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Rockies' trade deadline chip Jason Giambi pulled up with a strained hammy on an infield grounder last night. On one hand, that swings the market toward the remaining sellers that much more. On the other, it's a cautionary tale for sellers to move their players before they, too, come up hurt. Cubs --- specifically Carlos Pe�a and Aramis Ramirez --- look to be dumping liberally. Pena basically sucks. Ramirez could be interesting though, I've always liked him. Obviously not for the Mets, but couldbe interesting to see where he goes.

Ramirez-- a 10-and-5 guy who has said publicly that he will not approve ANY trade-- ain't going nowhere.

[seawolf17]

Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen from the White Sox to the Blue Jays for Jason Frasor and minor league pitcher Zach Stewart.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

wow.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Reports say Toronto is expected to swap Jackson to St. Louis for Colby Rasmus.

[Frayed Knot]

Rasmus: Another young ballplayer that LaRussa doesn't like for no apparent reason (see Rolen, Scott)

[seawolf17]

I cannot understand why the Cardinals would trade Rasmus.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm guessing he's not a drinker.

Isn't LaRussa at the end of his deal anyway?

[DocTee]

Octavio Dotel and Corey Patterson join Jackson in St. Louis, Brian Tallet goes with Rasmus to Toronto, per ESPN

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

seawolf17 wrote: I cannot understand why the Cardinals would trade Rasmus.

A whole lotta this. If they wanted to shore up their pitching, I'd have driven Gee to the Arch myself.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Can anybody catch me up on the genesis of the LaRussa/Rasmus feud?

[metirish]

As much as there is positive vibes on twitter for the Beltran trade there is as much WTF vibes regarding the Rasmus deal.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy DC wrote: Can anybody catch me up on the genesis of the LaRussa/Rasmus feud?

I never did get the details but it's not something that just cropped up; it's been brewing since last year at least.

[seawolf17]

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Can anybody catch me up on the genesis of the LaRussa/Rasmus feud? I never did get the details but it's not something that just cropped up; it's been brewing since last year at least.

LaRussa thinks he's uncoachable; doesn't listen. Probably because he's too busy hitting the snot out of the ball.

[metirish]

As FK noted it goes back

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11925

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/prelude-to-a-trade-tony-la-russa-says-colby-rasmus-doesnt-listen-to-cardinals-coaches/

[Guest attgig]

just to stirr up the pot, do any other mets get traded now?

I've heard izzy mentioned, but now shot down for mentoring purposes.
I've also heard about capuano being a possible target, but never had any legs...

anyone else get traded?

[Ceetar]

attgig wrote: just to stirr up the pot, do any other mets get traded now? I've heard izzy mentioned, but now shot down for mentoring purposes. I've also heard about capuano being a possible target, but never had any legs... anyone else get traded?

Maybe Ruben Tejada?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't think Izzy's off the table at all. A lot of folks could go. With Voltran gone, Mets can tend to smaller business. I can see them moving a lot of folks or none.

My top ten I'm mentally preparing to see go:

1. Isringhausen
2. Byrdak
3. Hairston
4. Harris
5. Pelfrey
6. Capuano
7. Paulino
8. Bay (if we're gotta eat it, why not now?)
9. Carrasco
10. Murphy

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I cannot understand why Capuano isn't up there among targets. Are all the contenders so happy with their starting pitching that they couldn't use an inexpensive, experienced, inexpensive lefty having a pretty good season?

[Guest attgig]

fukudome to the indians. i guess since beltran didn't want to go there, fukudome was the best rental they could get (sucks for them :-/)

[TransMonk]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I cannot understand why Capuano isn't up there among targets. Are all the contenders so happy with their starting pitching that they couldn't use an inexpensive, experienced, inexpensive lefty having a pretty good season?

Agreed.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I like that i used inexpensive twice in that sentence.

[Frayed Knot]

attgig wrote: fukudome to the indians. i guess since beltran didn't want to go there, fukudome was the best rental they could get (sucks for them :-/)

Last one out of Wrigley please turn off the lights.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I like that i used inexpensive twice in that sentence.

I think it really hammers home your point, I think.