Heyman's Yankee hackery

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Heyman tweets: if pettitte pitches, is it overstating to say #yankees to have 9 hall candidates? other 8: jeter, arod, mo, jorge, cc, andruw, cano, teix

OK, now technically anyone with 10 years in the majors can be on the ballot and become a Hall of Fame "candidate." So I have to assume be means "serious" candidate but couldn't fit it in the 140 characters.

What, exactly, has Cano done to merit being a contender for the Hall, outside of the Yankee hype machine? Andruw Jones? Teixiera? Nice players, sure. But Cooperstown?

If 'roid suspicions are hurting Bagwell, what does that do to the confessed Arod, much less Pettitte?

Does he really think CC's bloat will allow him to stick around long enough -- and be effective enough -- to pile up the milestone stats?

[Ceetar]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Heyman tweets: if pettitte pitches, is it overstating to say #yankees to have 9 hall candidates? other 8: jeter, arod, mo, jorge, cc, andruw, cano, teix OK, now technically anyone with 10 years in the majors can be on the ballot and become a Hall of Fame "candidate." So I have to assume be means "serious" candidate but couldn't fit it in the 140 characters. What, exactly, has Cano done to merit being a contender for the Hall, outside of the Yankee hype machine? Andruw Jones? Teixiera? Nice players, sure. But Cooperstown? If 'roid suspicions are hurting Bagwell, what does that do the Arod, much less Pettitte? Does he really think CC's bloat will allow him to stick around long enough -- and be effective enough -- to pile up the milestone stats?

Not to mention a lot of it (for Jeter and Mo and some of the others) is predicated on them not getting caught with deer antlers before the vote. Some of those guys haven't even hit 10 years yet. Is Posada likely? I'd have to look and I just dont' care to break down his stats. I don'ts ee any way Pettitte makes it, at least nto very early, given the HGH.

[Ceetar]

Johan, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, K-Rod, Bay. There's 6 Heymanesque candidates. I like what Ike did last year, can I project his rookie campaign to mean he's gonna be a serious Hall candidate?

[metirish]

As Irish soccer manager Mick McCarthy observed after Ryan Babel got fined by the FA for a twitter outburst

�They should rename it Twatter,� he said, �too many tweets make a twat.�

Heyman fits right in there.

[Valadius]

Andruw was a serious Hall candidate until his career completely crashed and burned, largely due to his run on Gold Gloves and his home run numbers. Posada will wind up in the Ted Simmons/Lance Parrish category of catchers. Cano and Teixeira? See Soriano, Alfonso and Giambi, Jason.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I'll give him A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera. Posada's borderline (I can see the case for him, but when you compare his hitting to his peers, he feels a little like Lance Parrish to me, but worse defensively).

As for the others... he's got to be fucking kidding. Sabathia's just gotten to ten seasons; he's been half-decent in half of them, good-to-very-good in four-and-a-half of them, and great in a half-season. If he puts up another ten like this, or 4-5 great seasons from here on in, maybe he's got something. Otherwise, he's a jollier Kevin Appier (or just-as-jolly Bartolo Colon).

Cano has superlative skills. He's also played for 5 seasons.

Teixeira is an above-average AL first baseman. So is Paul Konerko. So is Justin Morneau. None of them would get my HoF vote unless they had some superhuman years ahead of them.

[Guest Edgy DC]

How many Heyman Hall of Famers do the Phillies have right now?

I actually love this stuff. Anything that makes folks think the Yankees are the shizzle because they're paying Andruw Jones for something he did in 2000 is OK with me.

[metsmarathon]

fangraphs...





y'know, i was not expecting andruw to look as good as he does here. he's got the same WAR as jeter, and his best 9 years were each almost about a win better than jeter's best 9 years.

he's a stronger candidate than berkman, which surprised me a lot.

[MFS62]

When I was in high school, I was a counsellor at a day camp. One of the 8 year old kids asked me (after the player had completed a rookie year where, IIRC, he hit under .250) "Do you think Joe Pepitone will make the Hall of Fame?"
I forget his name, but that kid might have been named Heyman.

Later

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Those Jones WAR numbers are shocking, kinda... but only until you think about it. One of the better defensive CFs ever in his prime, plus 30-40 HR power. If he hadn't fallen off the ledge...

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't really know. He was racking up Gold Gloves well after I thought he was really earning them.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Don't they all?

When he was good, he was damn good.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, Andruw's cumulative WAR edge over Berkman is mostly a factor of two things: getting a good start while real young and racking up a bunch of defensive brownie points.
Berkman's 1B and corner OF play I'm sure lags way behind, plus his offensive peak wasn't that long either.