K-Rod

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, yeah, from Jerry's perspective there's no reason not to stay. I'd keep showing up and getting paid until they fired me, and then I'd stay home and get paid.

You're right, I had forgotten about the required token minority interviews. What a farce.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, yeah, from Jerry's perspective there's no reason not to stay. I'd keep showing up and getting paid until they fired me, and then I'd stay home and get paid. You're right, I had forgotten about the required token minority interviews. What a farce.

I know it's impossible to do anything in secret these days, but couldn't they interview people before actually firing Jerry? Reporters will speculate, but if only Omar/Jeff knows why say Bobby Valentine was in Citi Field..especially if they timed it for an ESPN game..

[bmfc1]

SurfingTheMets

Jose Reyes' kids were in room during K-Rod incident. Reyes didn't want to comment on whether he was upset with K-Rod.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, yeah, from Jerry's perspective there's no reason not to stay. I'd keep showing up and getting paid until they fired me, and then I'd stay home and get paid. You're right, I had forgotten about the required token minority interviews. What a farce. I know it's impossible to do anything in secret these days, but couldn't they interview people before actually firing Jerry? Reporters will speculate, but if only Omar/Jeff knows why say Bobby Valentine was in Citi Field..especially if they timed it for an ESPN game..

That would be nice.

[MFS62]

But if they give the job to another minority perosn, do they have to interview anyone else?
Or
Can they hire,say, an Alex Cora without actually interviewing him?

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

MFS62 wrote: But if they give the job to another minority perosn, do they have to interview anyone else?

I was wondering that too. Can they just anoint Razor Shines? Or do they have to grant a token interview to Chip Hale?

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: MFS62 wrote: But if they give the job to another minority perosn, do they have to interview anyone else? I was wondering that too. Can they just anoint Razor Shines? Or do they have to grant a token interview to Chip Hale?

I'm almost positive they don't have to interview a 'majority' candidate if they hire a minority.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I don't know guys. Santana gets accused of sexual assault, and we're like "That kind of sucks." And KRod throws a punch to a guy, and some of you want them to get rid of him? I think the sexual assault is worse.

Now I know there is all kinds of strangeness around that particular incident with Santana that makes things questionable. But no one called for him to be cut, or the manager fired because of it.

Seems like a lot of frustration boiling over.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I was thinking the same thing.

The main difference is one incident is "alleged" and the other one was witnessed by a room full of people.

The other key difference is that Santana is more useful to the Mets than Rodriguez is.

Most of us would like to see Frankie go anyway, so it's easy to call for his exit.

I think he probably is tradeable. There are a lot of teams (about 30) who think a big name closer is necessary. I bet there are at least a few who are in a pennant race right now who'd like to add some strength to their pen for the next two months. If the Mets wanted to find a trade partner for Frankie, I bet they could.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The first incident wasn't just alleged, but dropped by the police due to lack of evidence and conflicting accounts from the complainant --- before we ever heard of it.

Which isn't to say he isn't a douchepotato, or wasn't practicing douchecraft when he did whatever he did.

The latter incident is spilling into our laps right here and now. Took place at Citi, it did. And that's right next door to where Shea used to be.

My position --- and I know I'm losing it here --- is more for Jerry to go than Rodriguez.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Twas also off the field in the offseason.

I was in favor of seeking a buyer for Rodriguez at the deadline whether he beat his family members or not: It just makes sense to considering his bloated contract and his overstated usefulness and the potential of him being a game-changer for a contending team might get us something while we can get it. I'd also have traded Feliciano.

Of course that ship has sailed now.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: Manuel uses him properly this probably never happens.

My Manuel dislike has been around so long, I'll miss it like a phantom limb once he is finally dismissed.

That said, this is a really fucking silly thing to say. When a guy has a bad day at the office, then goes home and hits his wife, they don't charge his boss with accessory-to-being-an-asshole.

JCL wrote: If I'm the Mets, I am exploring every possibility to use this incident and others as a way to excise themselves from the asinine contract Omar gave to Rodriguez, if only because the budget seems like it's such a factor now. If they are not careful they will be on the hook for $29 million for this guy over the next 2 seasons, and nobody, much less a sociopath who beats his own family members, is worth that kind of scratch. Talk to his agent, the union, and work something out, but get this clown out of a Mets uniform and take whatever releif you can get from your own people.

Agree entirely... only, if we're handing out armchair diagnoses, he's more "psychopath" than "sociopath."

[metirish]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I don't know guys. Santana gets accused of sexual assault, and we're like "That kind of sucks." And KRod throws a punch to a guy, and some of you want them to get rid of him? I think the sexual assault is worse. Now I know there is all kinds of strangeness around that particular incident with Santana that makes things questionable. But no one called for him to be cut, or the manager fired because of it. Seems like a lot of frustration boiling over.

He's now being sued for that....good point btw....

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: Manuel uses him properly this probably never happens. My Manuel dislike has been around so long, I'll miss it like a phantom limb once he is finally dismissed. That said, this is a really fucking silly thing to say. When a guy has a bad day at the office, then goes home and hits his wife, they don't charge his boss with accessory-to-being-an-asshole.

Fan got hit by a bat sued Ramon Castro for handing it to Castillo.



It was silly. I don't really care about the story. K-Rod's a hot head. Someone bail him out so he can pitch today.

[MFS62]

Did anyone even know they had a jailhouse at CitiField before this? In one "King of Queens" episode, they said there was one at Shea.

They could be the first team to have their closer make the long walk from his jail cell to the mound!... That is assuming he gets one phone call a day and its not used up by the 9th inning.


Later

[Ceetar]

MFS62 wrote: Did anyone even know they had a jailhouse at CitiField before this? In one "King of Queens" episode, they said there was one at Shea.

Phillies fans knew.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I don't know guys. Santana gets accused of sexual assault, and we're like "That kind of sucks." And KRod throws a punch to a guy, and some of you want them to get rid of him? I think the sexual assault is worse... Seems like a lot of frustration boiling over.

Point granted about the frustration. But... um... to what sexual assault are you referring? The "strangeness" was enough that there are absolutely no criminal charges brought against Santana. He's now being civilly sued, for strict monetary redress of whatever wrong the claimant says he done her.

K-Rod punched a family member-- male, female, child... does it REALLY matter?-- in front of numerous Met employees and their families. One happened; the other didn't, at least not in the eyes of law enforcement... and continues as a fishing expedition of sorts.

[ashie62]

I'd love to see the Mets get some leverage here in trying to get the uniform off Frankie's back, but then there is that union to deal with.

If the Mets were winning the douchbaggery of Frankie & Santana would draw far less attention.

Maybe Frankie's father in law told him that he sucked?

It does seem all threads lead to Jerry eventually and I just don't understand why he is still manager.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: I don't know guys. Santana gets accused of sexual assault, and we're like "That kind of sucks." And KRod throws a punch to a guy, and some of you want them to get rid of him? I think the sexual assault is worse... Seems like a lot of frustration boiling over. K-Rod punched a family member-- male, female, child... does it REALLY matter?--

Yeah, I think it does. In my eyes -- and I emphasize that this is just me -- throwing a punch at another guy is very different than punching a woman or a child.

Not knowing anything about KRod's father-in-law, but when I was 28, my father-in-law could probably have kicked my butt.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The fact that this occurred at the park makes it hard not to think of the Carl Everett incident.

I always thought that was Bobby at his best. He goes down to the station, bails his player out, and spoke to the press about the incident as much as he could. he even stood up fro the guy as much as hecould, and yet didn't excuse anything.

For a brief time, the manager/front office partnership was working, and he understood that it was management's job to get rid of the player, but until they did, it was his job to --- somehow, someway --- find a way to bring the player to redemption as much as possible.

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: For a brief time, the manager/front office partnership was working, and he understood that it was management's job to get rid of the player, but until they did, it was his job to --- somehow, someway --- find a way to bring the player to redemption as much as possible.

Even Ed Bouchee got more chances to play in the majors (scroll down to 1958):
http://www.meetup.com/phillies-7/messages/boards/thread/2759318?thread=2759318

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Queens Courier's Mets story today:

It Wouldn't Kill The Mets To Develop A Little Attitude

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

AP saying he's suspended for two games.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Igarashi called up, K-Rod suspended by the team for 2 days unpaid.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sheesh, I'd go at least five games and force him to make an apology to his family, his teammates, the fans, the organization, the guys from the pipefitters union... and make him do it naked.

Then I'd make Jerry do the same thing.

[TransMonk]

This whole thing is pretty ridiculous...sad and embarassing.

[bmfc1]

Not suspended: "placed on restricted list." Whatever that means. He doesn't get paid either way.

[metsmarathon]

to me, this story reeks of piling on and advantage taking. especially the tim smith writeup of it.

"The alleged actions go beyond baseball. They defy human decency."

are you fucking kidding me? he scuffled with, and punched once, a 53 year old man, his father in law. he didn't kick a child, or throw an old geezer down a flight of stairs. or grope some chick.

seriously, where is tim smith when any other athlete who isn't a hothead playing for a team that seems in disarray with a whole mess of riled up disgruntled fans looking for blood - oh, and he's the fucking overpaid closer too, so nobody likes him anyway - gets into a fight, or a scuffle, with another man after an undisclosed argument, and we don't even know who actually started the fucking thing?

where is tim smith whenever an athlete actually goes and hits a woman or child, or sexually assaults one, or, you know, goes for a nice drive while drunk? where is his scathing writeup then?

hell. where was he when frankie got into a scuffle earlier this year with randy niemann. randy's actually older than frankie's father in law. didn't that defy human decency back then, or is this only worse cos the fans are more pissy?

its also kindof funny to me that tim smith also appears to be the regular boxing writer. in boxing the two men are punching each other for no good reason, so that makes it far more civilized. but that detracts from my larger point.

shame on frankie for getting his stupid ass into a fight, and for throwing and landing a punch against his father in law. poor show.

was he pummeling his father in law? mercilessly beating him into a pulp? kicking and screaming and yelling racial epithets? did he pick up one of reyes' kids and swing him around like a weapon? if he was in a bar and got into an ill-advised fight with another patron who happened to be 53 years old, would he still be a sociopath, or would the presence of alcohol turn him into just a dumb jock? guffaw guffaw move on.

i don't excuse it, and i sure as hell don't like it. but lets not make him out to be some sort of monster who is a blight on the face of humanity as a whole.

[metsmarathon]

Edgy DC wrote: Sheesh, I'd go at least five games and force him to make an apology to his family, his teammates, the fans, the organization, the guys from the pipefitters union... and make him do it naked. Then I'd make Jerry do the same thing.

you just want to see frankie and jerry naked.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Oh, I've seen it.

Jerry's looked more or less naked to me for the last eight weeks.