All-Time National League East Team: The LHP

[G-Fafif]

Southpaws from the East. Choose two to fill out our rotation.

[nymr83]

Carlton/Glavine in what was the toughest poll yet.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Carlton and Glavine. If I had a third vote, it would have gone to Koosman.

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Carlton and Glavine. If I had a third vote, it would have gone to Koosman.

Glavine over Koosman?

[Valadius]

Carlton and Glavine. Not even close.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Same. But my finger wavered over John Tudor for a bit, too-- 2.52 ERA, 147 ERA+ over 5 seasons with the Cards, with a serviceable Pirate year in there, too. And that 1985... he was the first pitcher I remember being scared of as an opponent. If not for Doc, that's an open-and-shut Cy.

M*therf*cking Gl*vine over Koosman eight days a week, unfortunately.

[ashie62]

If you had to pick Glavine or Koosman to pitch the big one for you who would you pick?

[Gwreck]

I'd probably go with the Tom Glavine of 1992-96. Remember that 1-0 shutout in the World Series?

[ashie62]

Fair enough, I'm going with a Koosman that is throwing high and tight with an attitude.

I admit I am prejudiced as Koosman was one of my first Met loves.

He's does beat Glavine in CG & Shutouts

[Benjamin Grimm]

Different era, though.

How does Johan Santana merit a vote? Only two-plus years in the division, and one of them injury-shortened.

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Different era, though. How does Johan Santana merit a vote? Only two-plus years in the division, and one of them injury-shortened.

Makes no difference. Koosman beats him there

[nymr83]

Glavine gets overshadowed by Maddux, but he won 2 CYAs, finished 2nd twice more, and 3rd twice as well. Koosman was 2nd once. Glavine's ERA+ is 8 points better for his career and his peak was alot higher too, he had twice as many season with an ERA+ over 125 (10 to 5). Koosman was a very good pitcher but Glavine is great and will rightfully go into the HOF. Also, Glavine spent his entire career in the NL East, once you take out Koosman's time elsewhere this already lopsided comparison becomes non-existant.

After defending Glavine, I need to go take a fucking shower.

[G-Fafif]

Also, Glavine spent his entire career in the NL East

Actually, Glavine was in the N.L. West from 1987 through 1993, which includes his first Cy Young season.

[nymr83]

yes you're right, so Koosman's career numbers are at least in the same cobversation as Glavine's NL East-only numbers. Now lets take MIN out.

Anyone else having B-R problems? i wanted to paste over some stats but i can't load it

[MFS62]

They didn't call Carlton "Lefty" for nuthin'.
And I voted for Koosman, just because he was Jerry Koosman.
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