National Disgrace (Split from Met-Lovin' Big Shots)

[stevejrogers]

Speaking of morning shows, I can't quite confirm if Mike Greenberg of ESPN is a Met fan, big Jet fan but he never really shows his hand when talking baseball.[/quote:10q0jz34]

They talk baseball on that show?

He's a YLDB[/quote:10q0jz34]

Good call! That show is all-football, all the time. I'll give them another four weeks to continue rehashing the Super Bowl before they start to go into withdrawl, drawn out of it for a month of "Will Favre retire" debates, followed by weeks of "is Favre/Manning/Montana the best quarterback of all time" before they grab Mel Kypier Jr. out of hibernation to start salivating over the NFL draft.

They do occasionally get Jayson Stark on the "OnStar/Subway/this spot for rent" hotline to rip the Mets and praise the Phillies. Used to get Peter Gammons and Steve Phillips, but I suppose both are unavailable these days for contractual/therapy reasons.

And Greenie is absolutely a YLDB.[/quote:10q0jz34]

It's ESPN, whaddya expect.

Greenberg & Golic as personalities are unobjectionable enough - but what can you say about the show other than that it contains all the strengths and weaknesses of being part of the 'World Wide Leader' machine.
As with most espen shows, their hosts are expected to know and easily chat about football and basketball but then need to rely on one of the hired nerds when it comes to baseball. Having Stark, Olney, Kurkjian (and, until recently, Gammons & Phillips) [strikeout]in chains[/strikeout] I mean on retainer means that there's usually a scheduled baseball chat not too far away, but once those 12 minutes are up they act as if they've done their penance and can go back to the NFL draft or NCAA hoops which, after all, each provide their network with something like 1,467 hours per/week in programming. Then when it's summer and there's nothing else to talk about but baseball ... they all go on vacation.

In short, I don't think Greeny cares that much about baseball except to the extent that his young son is a Jeter-worshipper and he often takes him to games.
Golic acts as if he's a big Indians fan but that's mainly to maintain his 'Im a blue collar guy from Ohio' image and I suspect he hasn't watched an entire baseball game in at least a decade and attended one in maybe two - with the exception of those occasions when the show is done from a remote and even then I'd put $20 on him spending 7 of the 9 innings with the free food spread.[/quote:10q0jz34]

Well I guess you don't subscribe to the theory that ESPN gives its listeners what they want, but then again it seems everyone here subscribes to the theory that somehow baseball is still reigning supreme on a national level and hasn't slipped in the rankings in terms of national pastime.

To say nothing about the blinders everyone here has about the national disgrace that the franchise we root for has become. No, anyone that says that are either lazy reporters, YLDBs, or self-loathing Met fans.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Steve's becoming a salamander.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Steve opined:

"Well I guess you don't subscribe to the theory that ESPN gives its listeners what they want, but then again it seems everyone here subscribes to the theory that somehow baseball is still reigning supreme on a national level and hasn't slipped in the rankings in terms of national pastime.

To say nothing about the blinders everyone here has about the national disgrace that the franchise we root for has become. No, anyone that says that are either lazy reporters, YLDBs, or self-loathing Met fans."

The Mets aren't a national disgrace. And that was kind of a self-loathing comment there, Steve.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I like how he just puts words in our (unanimous) mouths and types out both sides of the argument. It saves everyone a lot of time.

[Vic Sage]

The Mets aren't a national disgrace.

Too true. They're more of a local disgrace. Regional, at best.

[metirish]

Tri-State area disgrace....although Seo ,Mgim and DocTee might make them national.

[stevejrogers]

So I'm imagining the shots taken by national sports radio and TV shows then huh?

So I'm imagining the ten year old shots taken by people like Colin Cowherd on the fact that the Mets had the Baha Men and "Who Let The Dogs Out" in the 2000 WS?

So I'm imagining all the shots from Leno, Letterman, O'Brien and the "self loathing" shots from Stewart and Colbert?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

The Mets are a good team going through a tough stretch. They Royals and Pirates are a disgrace, with the Nationals not far behind. The Yankees are evil.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Steve, cut it out.

[metirish]

Fear & self loathing in Flushing.

[Guest themetfairy]

Could an administrator break this discussion away from the main thread?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sure, it's standard operating procedure with Steve.

[stevejrogers]

The Mets are a good team going through a tough stretch. They Royals and Pirates are a disgrace, with the Nationals not far behind. The Yankees are evil.

[MFS62]

The pods have taken over poor Steve.
Even Donald Sutherland couldn't save him.

Later

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Cabin fever?

[Benjamin Grimm]

The pods have taken over poor Steve.
Even Donald Sutherland couldn't save him.

Later

[Guest Kong76]

irish: Tri-State area disgrace....although Seo ,Mgim and DocTee might make them national <<<

Global disgrace if TripleDee would re-join us.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, HahnSolo gets us extra-terrestrial.

[metirish]

irish: Tri-State area disgrace....although Seo ,Mgim and DocTee might make them national <<<

Global disgrace if TripleDee would re-join us.

[Frayed Knot]

Steve,
If you're going to respond to what I write at least respond to what I write while you're responding to what I write otherwise don't respond to what I write.
Alright?

[smg58]

Steve's becoming a salamander.[/quote:3uakbbim]

So who turned him into a newt? And will he get better?

[Guest Kong76]

[stevejrogers]

Steve,
If you're going to respond to what I write at least respond to what I write while you're responding to what I write otherwise don't respond to what I write.
Alright?[/quote:1aun2qjj]

Fair enough. But ignoring the fact that the Mets and the Wilpons ARE a joke is just as bad as acting as if the national media caters to the NFL, NBA and the NCAA football and basketball solely on the amount of programing they put on their networks as opposed to national popularity.

[Valadius]

Steve, one question:

Why are you listening to Mike Francesa?

[stevejrogers]

Steve, one question:

Why are you listening to Mike Francesa?[/quote:1s8yvpy9]

I don't.

[stevejrogers]

And again, that's an classic example of the majority opinion around here. If you disagree with the message, blame the messenger for being, take ypur pick:

Arrogant YLDB
Lazy reporter
Self-Hating Met fan

As opposed to thinking Yeah he is a fat pompous jerk (Francesa example), but on this, this and this he is dead on accurate.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Steve, when are you going to stop making up what other people are writing?

[Valadius]

But you are listening to the other talking heads on the air.

Look, sports is like politics - everyone can go and make predictions, but predictions are frequently wrong, especially the farther out from the action you really are. My first rule of politics is this - don't listen to pundits. The talking heads on sports radio, TV, and print are the same thing for sports - pundits. And they're frequently wrong. There's no reason to listen to them.

[stevejrogers]

But you are listening to the other talking heads on the air.

Look, sports is like politics - everyone can go and make predictions, but predictions are frequently wrong, especially the farther out from the action you really are. My first rule of politics is this - don't listen to pundits. The talking heads on sports radio, TV, and print are the same thing for sports - pundits. And they're frequently wrong. There's no reason to listen to them.[/quote:2iyp3ps5]

Yes there are reasons to listen to them. For all bluster from say O'Reilly or Matthews, or Hannity or Olbermann, or Van Sustram or whomever Fox, CNN or MSNBC pundit you pick there is every now and then nuggets of news or a new way of looking at things that you didn't realize.

To close your mind off is just as bad as you say their empty opinions are.

So who do you get your news from?

[Valadius]

But you are listening to the other talking heads on the air.

Look, sports is like politics - everyone can go and make predictions, but predictions are frequently wrong, especially the farther out from the action you really are. My first rule of politics is this - don't listen to pundits. The talking heads on sports radio, TV, and print are the same thing for sports - pundits. And they're frequently wrong. There's no reason to listen to them.[/quote:20cmr5o8]

Yes there are reasons to listen to them. For all bluster from say O'Reilly or Matthews, or Hannity or Olbermann, or Van Sustram or whomever Fox, CNN or MSNBC pundit you pick there is every now and then nuggets of news or a new way of looking at things that you didn't realize.

To close your mind off is just as bad as you say their empty opinions are.

So who do you get your news from?[/quote:20cmr5o8]

Actual news, facts, and statistics, with opinion kept strictly out of the equation. AP, AFP, Reuters, etc. I can make my own judgments.