Beltran Out "8 to 12 weeks"

[MFS62]

Isn't Rick Ankiel still out there?
Signing him to play center, then platooning him with Frenchy when Carlos gets back wouldn't be such a bad idea.
Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

What's the deal with Chris Carter? Only 23 ML at-bats but he raked in the Minor Leagues.... hitting for power and getting on base at excellent rates.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think we'll get some answers soon. In the meantime, I understand I'm supposed to be really really pissed that we got him for Wagner.

[metirish]

I think we'll get some answers soon. In the meantime, I understand I'm supposed to be really really pissed that we got him for Wagner.

[Guest Edgy DC]

It came up.

[metirish]

It came up.[/quote:osnieec1]


You're so upset about it you couldn't see I was taking the piss.

[Guest Edgy DC]

You're so smug and certain of that, you couldn't see I had taken it back. The piss is mine.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I think we'll get some answers soon. In the meantime, I understand I'm supposed to be really really pissed that we got him for Wagner.

[Guest Edgy DC]

What is "Hulk Hogan music"?

[metirish]

Me smug?.. really?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

What is "Hulk Hogan music"?[/quote:4mp3h7h9]

It's music that sucks.

I am a real A-merrr-ii-can

Anyway press conference on at 2. I am home sick -- again! -- and will tune this puppy in and give ya some blow by blow if I don't die first.

[metirish]

Scott Boras says Carlos Beltran did not need NY Mets' permission to have surgery By Brian Costa/The Star-Ledger Beltran's decision to undergo arthroscopic surgery with his doctor in Colorado appeared to catch the Mets off guard. The New York Post, citing an unnamed source, reported that "the Mets are threatening to take some form of action." But Boras said Beltran's contract only requires him to receive advance written permission for elective procedures. "This was necessary surgery, necessary surgery to work," Boras said. This is not the first time a team has been in a dispute with Beltran over an injury and which side has the right to make the final decision on a course of treatment. The Royals suspended him for refusing to report to the team's complex in Florida for rehabilitation in 2000. The Mets are expected to address the Beltran situation later today on a conference call with reporters.

[batmagadanleadoff]

What is "Hulk Hogan music"?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, um, first, knowhatImean, we, um, wanted to check if... you know, he was really hurt or, umm, it was just some shit Adam Rubin made up. No offense, Adam. Next question.

[G-Fafif]

Just to be a hater, seven-year contracts are just stoopit things to give out.[/quote:hlrku0vn]

Does a potential (and let's hope it's all theoretical after a successful recovery) washout in years six and seven make the Beltran contract a retroactive bad signing? After the first four years, even with the first year so disappointing, you could legitimately call Beltran's signing the best free agent deal the Mets ever made. Would the general greatness of 2006-2008 overshadow lousy 2005, injury-riddled 2009 and godknowswhat 2010-11...or vice-versa?

Robin and Pedro were awesome in the early parts of their four-year deals, perceived burdens by the end (Ventura so much so that he was traded for Justice/Guthrie). Wagner more or less solved the closer problem in year one of a four-year deal, was on the shelf by the final third of the third year and was a cash vacuum in year four.

So yeah, seven years is a tough sign. But boy did it feel great to sign him when we did. I wasn't asking any questions five years ago this week.

[Benjamin Grimm]

No regrets.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ricco

Had 3 MRIs

MRI dec. 10 -- showed some worsening oh arthritis condition
--altchck said back off intense work, to alleviate symptoms

--in a few weeks still pain, saw Steadman
----we allowed that for 2nd opinion

Steadman recommended a procedure, underwent it
--successful surgery, resting in Colo.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

Does a potential (and let's hope it's all theoretical after a successful recovery) washout in years six and seven make the Beltran contract a retroactive bad signing?

[metirish]

Rico was suave about it?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Q&A
Q: Did Beltran do this without your permission?

A: (Ricco) No, we had an issue with the process.

--we told boras we wanted to discuss diagnosis and wanted oppotrtunity to get a 3rd opinion, never afforded opportunity to do that

Q: Why would Beltran do that?
"We can't speak for Carlos, we just wanted a chance to digest the information.

We wanted a chance to discuss Steadman's diagnosis and get another opinion.

Q: Open wound, legal ramificatyion?
A: We alerted Boras to the fact that we weren't notified (as was required by contract).

[Centerfield]

Fuck the legal. Will he have a clean bill of health in 12 weeks?

[G-Fafif]

What is "Hulk Hogan music"?[/quote:37r09b4f]

It's music that sucks.[/quote:37r09b4f]

Unless you're FUCKING A AWESOME!

Presumably...

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Howard: Our issue was we were not afforded opportunity to digest info before surgery was performed.

Q: Necessary or elective surgery?
--This was ... I don't wanna be pressed on a legal term. ...

Q: are offseason plans changing?
--Carlos is one of the best 2 way players WE have to prepare for that, adjust accordingly

Q: Is back and forth between doictors mandatory or a courtesy
A: the contract requires written approval for surgery. But our view is that we have all the info we need to make the right decision

Q: Is this a different injury than last year?
A: osteoarthritis is a thing he;s had for a long time, bone bruise can be condition of it. This winter he developed other symptoms, that's what the doctor cleaned up.

Q: Are you looking differently at roster than yesterday? Do you need to bring in someone?
A: certainly in Beltran talking about better players in the game, we're discussing that right now. We have not made a determination

Q: When did you find out surgery has been done?
A: We found out Wednesday mid-day

Q: Did you have any idea it was to happen
A: No.t was our understanding we were still discussing it.

Q: What;s the range of dates Beltran could be back?
A: 12 weeks to begin bb activity

Q: 3-4 weeks to majors after that?
A: It varies, see how it goes
--we don;t have crystal ball, in discussions, haven;t made a final decision

Q: what was said before?
A: Player and agent were told, before anything happens we look like time to digest information and get another opinion
--We were clear with Scott we said before you do surgery we'd like to review the information

[G-Fafif]

The conf. call operator mispronounced "Klapisch" -- and didn't even mention soft rain.

[Frayed Knot]

Sounds like the best news coming from this presser is that they've stopped letting Omar handle them.

[metirish]

Sounds like the best news coming from this presser is that they've stopped letting Omar handle them.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And Wright wants answers.

He sounds like Valadius.

[ashie62]

It appears the Mets knew Carlos was not healing terribly well over the past couple of months..

Wouldn't it have been prudent to take a look at CF options like Juan Pierre, or maybe a Marlon Byrd?

This marriage between the Mets & Beltran may be harmed beyond repair regardless of Beltran's recovery or lack thereof.

[Guest Edgy DC]

You certainly give the impression that you're rooting for that.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm also getting that impression.