IGT - Mets @ Yanx 6/14/09 -- aka: 'The Condom Game'

[bmfc1]

Edgy DC wrote: ]And they better send F. Martinez down before he loses all his trade value. Has he shown anybody here anything to make you think that he's as good as the Mets claim he is? I'll disagree. His trade value should have nothing to do with where he's played, but rather his value value. And it's not the Mets' claims that his repuatation hangs on.

Wrong. His reputation is the sole basis for his value.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Hell of a day for Johan to blow up.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Well, fuck me gently with a thorny branch.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

We should release Santana now.

[bmfc1]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: We should release Santana now.

Your sarcasm about G-Fafif's thoughtful and passionate position is noted.

[Gwreck]

Santana can struggle, whatever. Good for him.

The staggering lack of fundamentals shows that Jerry, Razor and Sandy Alomar have quite a bit to answer for. Seriously, what the hell are they doing?

[ashie62]

Swan Swan H wrote: Hell of a day for Johan to blow up.

Let us Pray that Johan is not experiencing dead arm syndrome

[ashie62]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Well, fuck me gently with a thorny branch.

Rather fuck Thora Birch

[Guest Kong76]

Gw: Seriously, what the hell are they doing? <<<

Bucking for early dismissal.

[Frayed Knot]

="bmfc1"]And it's not the Mets' claims that his repuatation hangs on. His reputation is the sole basis for his value. My question was not answered: what has he shown to you for him to have the value that he is alleged to have? We hear that if the Mets want even a mid-level SP, OF, or 1B, they have to trade F. Martinez and he's way too good for that. To me, his reputation is only based upon the Mets claims.

Do you really think scouts, GMs, and player-personnel people make all their decisions on trades based strictly on some player's last two weeks? ... Or on how good the other team's mgmt claims him to be?

Edited June 14, 2009 by Guest

[Zvon]

Gwreck wrote: Santana can struggle, whatever. Good for him. The staggering lack of fundamentals shows that Jerry, Razor and Sandy Alomar have quite a bit to answer for. Seriously, what the hell are they doing?

Shouldn't players at this level know the fundamentals?
I mean, we are talking basic stuff here.
Hitting cutoffs, knowing that runners are on the move during 3-2 counts and 2 out pop ups, etc.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Weird play there. If Cora tags Damon and throws right to first he may have actually gotten three, as Teixiera was about 20 feet off of first. Can't blame him for getting two, though, it was a nice pickup and the runners were all over the place.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

So... should I go see "Up" or "The Hangover?"

[Guest Kong76]

What inning does the twelve run rule kick in?

[Frayed Knot]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So... should I go see "Up" or "The Hangover?"

I think you should drink up until you get a hangover.

[Gwreck]

Zvon wrote: Shouldn't players at this level know the fundamentals? I mean, we are talking basic stuff here. Hitting cutoffs, knowing that runners are on the move during 3-2 counts and 2 out pop ups, etc.

Of course they should. I see it as the manager and coaches' job to enforce and reinforce that, which hasn't happened.

[Zvon]

This might be the first time in my life I felt like turning off a Met game.
I won't though.

[Guest Kong76]

Honey, I'm going out for a 40 pack of Meister Brau.

Yanks up a touchdown and two field goals, 13 - sniffle!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yeah, execution has been lousy pretty much all year.

Meantime, gotta roll up the sleeves and get back to work here.

[Guest Edgy DC]

First of all, in quoting bfmc, I deleted two sentences fo his post. I'm very sorry.

Now. Let me respond.

bmfc1 wrote: Wrong. His reputation is the sole basis for his value.

I don't understand how that disputes "And it's not the Mets' claims that his repuatation hangs on." Or really what it means.

]My question was not answered: what has he shown to you for him to have the value that he is alleged to have?

That's not actually the question you asked.

]We hear that if the Mets want even a mid-level SP, OF, or 1B, they have to trade F. Martinez and he's way too good for that.

What specifically are you quoting?

]To me, his reputation is only based upon the Mets claims.

Do I really need to dig up all the independent sources that have him ranked?

What do I think about him? I think he's 20. And I'd never get rich predicting a 20-year-old's future.

Edited June 14, 2009 by Guest

[bmfc1]

I hope I'm wrong about F. Martinez. I hope he hits a 14-run homerun today. And I'm not a scout and he haven't seen him play very often. But from what I've seen--this season, in ST, in Bowie last year--I haven't seen anything special. Have you or has anybody else? There have been many articles saying that the Mets won't give him up for another team's mid-level players. Is he that special? If the Twins offered Michael Cuddyer for him, should the Mets grab it or would they be justified in saying that Cuddyer's not good enough?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

bmfc1 wrote: ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]We should release Santana now. Your sarcasm about G-Fafif's thoughtful and passionate position is noted.

It was your position too and as eloquent and passionate as it was it was in service of an idea that wasn't realistic, wasn't fair, wouldn't have helped and invited criticism.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Release Cora now!

[ashie62]

Almost time for a late July Mets dump. if they are going to run this type of lineup everyday with little pitching why not.

Trade at deadline: Schneider, D. Murphy Pelfrey

Offseason: Reyes, Church , Omar-Gone

Gotta start somewhere as Mr. Laroche said the Mets are not better than the Pirates..Pathetic

People pay money at Citified to watch this daily run to the basement?

[bmfc1]

"Do I really need to dig up all the independent sources that have him ranked?"

I've seen them, too. But go back to my question: what does he show you to deserve such a ranking?

"What do I think about him? I think he's 20. And I'd never get rich predicting a 20-yearold's future."

Valid point but for a team that is under intense pressure to make the playoffs, you have to decide if he's worth holding onto so he can help the team, if not today then in the future, in favor of a proven player that is better right now.

[ashie62]

bmfc1 wrote: I hope I'm wrong about F. Martinez. I hope he hits a 14-run homerun today. And I'm not a scout and he haven't seen him play very often. But from what I've seen--this season, in ST, in Bowie last year--I haven't seen anything special. Have you or has anybody else? There have been many articles saying that the Mets won't give him up for another team's mid-level players. Is he that special? If the Twins offered Michael Cuddyer for him, should the Mets grab it or would they be justified in saying that Cuddyer's not good enough?

I would kept Fartinez as Mets rebuilding mode is most likely not far away

[bmfc1]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ="bmfc1"] John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: We should release Santana now. Your sarcasm about G-Fafif's thoughtful and passionate position is noted. It was your position too and as eloquent and passionate as it was it was in service of an idea that wasn't realistic, wasn't fair, wouldn't have helped and invited criticism.

Yes, it was my position too and still is. It's unrealistic because our incompetent GM a) chose to pay him until 2011 and doesn't have a better alternative in the system.

[ashie62]

bmfc1 wrote: "Do I really need to dig up all the independent sources that have him ranked?" I've seen them, too. But go back to my question: what does he show you to deserve such a ranking? "What do I think about him? I think he's 20. And I'd never get rich predicting a 20-yearold's future." Valid point but for a team that is under intense pressure to make the playoffs, you have to decide if he's worth holding onto so he can help the team, if not today then in the future, in favor of a proven player that is better right now.

Playoffs? Nuff said Keep Fmart for the 2010 dismantling

[Guest Edgy DC]

bmfc1 wrote: But from what I've seen--this season, in ST, in Bowie last year--I haven't seen anything special. Have you or has anybody else?

It depends on your definition of special, but yes, somebody else has. I said that above.

bmfc1 wrote: There have been many articles saying that the Mets won't give him up for another team's mid-level players.

I'd really like to know which mid-level players we're talking about.

bmfc1 wrote: Is he that special? If the Twins offered Michael Cuddyer for him, should the Mets grab it or would they be justified in saying that Cuddyer's not good enough?

I wouldn't trade anybody, but I'm not interested in Cuddyer.

[bmfc1]

"somebody else"--I mean you. Or FK. Or Ashie. Or JCL. Somebody in this forum.