Dead

[Guest Edgy DC]

The room is dead. Killed by J.J. Putz.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I thought it was swine flu.

Hey, not for nothing but Putz hasn't exactly looked like the steal everyone said he'd be. This may have been a weird case but generally trading for relief pitchers is the act of maniacs.

[metirish]

It's not Putz , I'm just contemplating Wright's strike outs and Gay Rods bitch tits.

[Fman99]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2bs46cgj]I thought it was swine flu. Hey, not for nothing but Putz hasn't exactly looked like the steal everyone said he'd be. This may have been a weird case but generally trading for relief pitchers is the act of maniacs.[/quote:2bs46cgj] He sure does look like the 2008 Putz, not the shiny 2006-7 model that consistently blew people's doors off. I miss Joe Smith. Though his numbers in Cleveland are pretty awful (6 1/3 IP, 5 BB, 6 K, 7.11 ERA).

G-Fafif Apr 30 2009 12:54 PM

Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.

Edgy DC Apr 30 2009 12:55 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":c9cs0sir]Hey, not for nothing but Putz hasn't exactly looked like the steal everyone said he'd be. This may have been a weird case but generally trading for relief pitchers is the act of maniacs.[/quote:c9cs0sir] I know I'm the crank of cranks here (I practically want to beat myself up), but lifting the top pitcher in the league for him seems to me the act of a maniac also. Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2009 01:03 PM ="G-Fafif"]Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure. That would be the end of me as a fan, I think. I know that teams change personnel, but this would be too much at once. It would reinforce that they're a team of strangers and I think my interest would be shot. Perhaps. metirish Apr 30 2009 01:21 PM I'd do Halladay straight up for redding but that's it. Nymr83 Apr 30 2009 01:36 PM ="Benjamin Grimm"] ="G-Fafif"]Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure. That would be the end of me as a fan, I think. I know that teams change personnel, but this would be too much at once. It would reinforce that they're a team of strangers and I think my interest would be shot. Perhaps. i agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good. Edgy DC Apr 30 2009 01:53 PM Schneider's a load, but he's my load! Sounds like we need a WATP thread. Nymr83 Apr 30 2009 02:02 PM ="Edgy DC":w89jswpc]Schneider's a load, but he's my load! Sounds like we need a WATP thread.[/quote:w89jswpc] Wacky Absurd Trade Proposals? Edgy DC Apr 30 2009 02:09 PM Close enough. Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2009 02:16 PM ="Nymr83":eiyikd0l]I agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good.[/quote:eiyikd0l] It's really the combination of the two. I could roll with the Toronto trade. (Losing Seaver was far worse.) smg58 Apr 30 2009 05:57 PM ="G-Fafif":2scopwla]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.[/quote:2scopwla] I wouldn't expect to see Halladay in a Mets uniform as long as the Jays are winning and the Mets aren't. We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why. batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2009 06:29 PM ="smg58":39bribgv]We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.[/quote:39bribgv] I agree. Overall, I don't think there's a damn signifcant difference between the Mets and the Phillies. Luck more than anything else, has designated one of these indistinguishable teams as the champs and the other, a bunch of choke artists.

[G-Fafif]

Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here.

]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles.

I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.

[Guest Edgy DC]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":c9cs0sir]Hey, not for nothing but Putz hasn't exactly looked like the steal everyone said he'd be. This may have been a weird case but generally trading for relief pitchers is the act of maniacs.[/quote:c9cs0sir] I know I'm the crank of cranks here (I practically want to beat myself up), but lifting the top pitcher in the league for him seems to me the act of a maniac also.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2009 01:03 PM

="G-Fafif"]Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure. That would be the end of me as a fan, I think. I know that teams change personnel, but this would be too much at once. It would reinforce that they're a team of strangers and I think my interest would be shot. Perhaps.

metirish Apr 30 2009 01:21 PM

I'd do Halladay straight up for redding but that's it.

Nymr83 Apr 30 2009 01:36 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"] ="G-Fafif"]Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure. That would be the end of me as a fan, I think. I know that teams change personnel, but this would be too much at once. It would reinforce that they're a team of strangers and I think my interest would be shot. Perhaps. i agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good.

Edgy DC Apr 30 2009 01:53 PM

Schneider's a load, but he's my load! Sounds like we need a WATP thread.

Nymr83 Apr 30 2009 02:02 PM

="Edgy DC":w89jswpc]Schneider's a load, but he's my load! Sounds like we need a WATP thread.[/quote:w89jswpc] Wacky Absurd Trade Proposals? Edgy DC Apr 30 2009 02:09 PM Close enough. Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2009 02:16 PM ="Nymr83":eiyikd0l]I agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good.[/quote:eiyikd0l] It's really the combination of the two. I could roll with the Toronto trade. (Losing Seaver was far worse.) smg58 Apr 30 2009 05:57 PM ="G-Fafif":2scopwla]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.[/quote:2scopwla] I wouldn't expect to see Halladay in a Mets uniform as long as the Jays are winning and the Mets aren't. We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why. batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2009 06:29 PM ="smg58":39bribgv]We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.[/quote:39bribgv] I agree. Overall, I don't think there's a damn signifcant difference between the Mets and the Phillies. Luck more than anything else, has designated one of these indistinguishable teams as the champs and the other, a bunch of choke artists.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="G-Fafif"]Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.

That would be the end of me as a fan, I think. I know that teams change personnel, but this would be too much at once. It would reinforce that they're a team of strangers and I think my interest would be shot.

Perhaps.

[metirish]

I'd do Halladay straight up for redding but that's it.

[nymr83]

="Benjamin Grimm"] ="G-Fafif"]Admittedly unlikely, possibly clinically insane Met makeover proposal here. ]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure. That would be the end of me as a fan, I think. I know that teams change personnel, but this would be too much at once. It would reinforce that they're a team of strangers and I think my interest would be shot. Perhaps.

i agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Schneider's a load, but he's my load!

Sounds like we need a WATP thread.

[nymr83]

="Edgy DC":w89jswpc]Schneider's a load, but he's my load! Sounds like we need a WATP thread.[/quote:w89jswpc] Wacky Absurd Trade Proposals?

Edgy DC Apr 30 2009 02:09 PM

Close enough.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2009 02:16 PM

="Nymr83":eiyikd0l]I agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good.[/quote:eiyikd0l] It's really the combination of the two. I could roll with the Toronto trade. (Losing Seaver was far worse.) smg58 Apr 30 2009 05:57 PM ="G-Fafif":2scopwla]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.[/quote:2scopwla] I wouldn't expect to see Halladay in a Mets uniform as long as the Jays are winning and the Mets aren't. We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why. batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2009 06:29 PM ="smg58":39bribgv]We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.[/quote:39bribgv] I agree. Overall, I don't think there's a damn signifcant difference between the Mets and the Phillies. Luck more than anything else, has designated one of these indistinguishable teams as the champs and the other, a bunch of choke artists.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Close enough.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="Nymr83":eiyikd0l]I agree with you re: the mockery of a trade with philadelphia, but would that mock trade with Torinto really bother you? Holt is a prospect, Delgado and Maine are hardly home-grown guys (Delgado to the blue jays would in fact be where he belongs) and Schnieder is neither homegrown nor good.[/quote:eiyikd0l] It's really the combination of the two. I could roll with the Toronto trade. (Losing Seaver was far worse.)

smg58 Apr 30 2009 05:57 PM

="G-Fafif":2scopwla]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.[/quote:2scopwla] I wouldn't expect to see Halladay in a Mets uniform as long as the Jays are winning and the Mets aren't. We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why. batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2009 06:29 PM ="smg58":39bribgv]We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.[/quote:39bribgv] I agree. Overall, I don't think there's a damn signifcant difference between the Mets and the Phillies. Luck more than anything else, has designated one of these indistinguishable teams as the champs and the other, a bunch of choke artists.

[smg58]

="G-Fafif":2scopwla]1) The Mets send David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Tim Redding and Ramon Castro to Philadelphia for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino and Ryan Howard. 2) The Mets send Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, John Maine, Brad Holt and Ike Davis to Toronto for Roy Halladay, Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar. In concomitant moves, the Mets shift Daniel Murphy to third base, call up Fernando Martinez and have Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell switch roles. I think this is a flight of fancy. Or am I dead serious? I'm not sure.[/quote:2scopwla] I wouldn't expect to see Halladay in a Mets uniform as long as the Jays are winning and the Mets aren't. We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2009 06:29 PM

="smg58":39bribgv]We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.[/quote:39bribgv] I agree. Overall, I don't think there's a damn signifcant difference between the Mets and the Phillies. Luck more than anything else, has designated one of these indistinguishable teams as the champs and the other, a bunch of choke artists.

[batmagadanleadoff]

="smg58":39bribgv]We should have been jealous of the Phillies' bullpen last year, not their position players. They scored exactly the same amount of runs as the Mets did, in a much friendlier park. I'm not sure who'd rather have Victorino than Beltran, or why.[/quote:39bribgv] I agree. Overall, I don't think there's a damn signifcant difference between the Mets and the Phillies. Luck more than anything else, has designated one of these indistinguishable teams as the champs and the other, a bunch of choke artists.