Valentin Goes Home

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Rubin sez the Mets have released Jose Valentin but has his agent say its not time for retirement yet.

Which means it probably is.

Story says Valentin didn;t accept a job at Buffalo becasue he didn't see immedate opportunity with the Mets which I suppose can be a vote of CAHNfidence in Castillo's ability to have a better year.

Junior Spivey and Toe Knee Arm Ass also released.

[metirish]

We'll always have 2006 to remember Jose for. A future coach somewhere I suppose.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Valentin has been on the wire for a few days and hasn't gotten a bite, so I don't think a return via Buffalo is out of the question. A month on the farm may be just what he needs. He only got like 11 trips to the plate last year, and he might of started 2006 faster with some regular work.

People wanted his ass released in 2006 when Randolph installed him as the starting secondbaseman. One of Randolph's signature triumphs, I think.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Well before we go patting Willie's back we should remember Valentin was Plan C that year, behind Matsui and Anderson F. Hernandez.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Chris Woodward was also in the mix there. I'm just saying that Randolph was righter than the fans (on that score). He was hitting .220 when he got the job at the end of May.

[batmagadanleadoff]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2qx31x76]Well before we go patting Willie's back we should remember Valentin was Plan C that year, behind Matsui and Anderson F. Hernandez.[/quote:2qx31x76] Yes. Willie likes second baseman who can lay down by laying down the sac bunt. Might as well give Valentin his props here. He was a good Met overall, in the final analysis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 03:51 PM

Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans

G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 03:59 PM

Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.

Fman99 Mar 31 2009 04:16 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":28zctoou]Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans[/quote:28zctoou] Sending Kielty packing, and keeping Marlon Anderson, stinks. HahnSolo Apr 01 2009 08:57 AM ="Fman99":1oc6dpyg] ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1oc6dpyg]Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans[/quote:1oc6dpyg] Sending Kielty packing, and keeping Marlon Anderson, stinks.[/quote:1oc6dpyg] I can understand keeping Castillo because you don't want to dump $18 mill (or whatever is owed to him) on a guy if he is not playing for you. And okay, maybe Luis is healthy this year and last year was an aberration. But Marlon? They can't eat his guarantee for one year? He resembled nothing close to a major league ballplayer at the end of '08 (heck, all of '08). Santana would have been a better lefty bat off the bench for most of last year. I can't believe he's still with the team. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:10 AM Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson? holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:10 AM Thinking about the fact that Anderson is on the roster makes me mad. Not that I am all that baseball astute. . . .but I see absolutely NO reason for him to be on the roster. He had a terrible year last year and he had a terrible spring. Why is he still here? Why can't we just cut him loose? metirish Apr 01 2009 09:14 AM I'm sure we will see Kielty before long. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM ="Edgy DC":1edz66no]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:1edz66no] He had a 40 OPS+. If that is an aberration, I would hope that it would require you earning a spot. . .which he just did not do this spring while getting a decent number of ABs (42). Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM They can. They choose not to. Because there's more to it than last year. And when you have to choose between a few options, you often have to look at the veterans first, guys with larger contracts, big league contracts, because (1) the stakes are higher as you only get one decision with them and (2) because younger players tend to make more of time in the minors than older players. Sometimes, you have to accept that you have to accept that it's in the team's interests to try Manny Aybar first and Heath Bell second. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:21 AM ="holychicken":3bmztzkb] ="Edgy DC":3bmztzkb]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:3bmztzkb] He had a 40 OPS+.[/quote:3bmztzkb] I can read. I also know that players with playing time limited due to injury and narrow roles such as pinch-hitting often end up with stats on the extreme ends of the spectrum. That number is alarming but not conclusive. I certainly don't think the 133 OPS+ the season before was conclusive. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:26 AM I understand that, edgy. But he didn't just have a down year. . . he had a downright terrible year. There are only 10 NL players who had a minimum of 100 ABs that had a worse OPS than the guy. And it is not like he has impeccable defensive skills to make up for the fact that he was basically worse than our pitchers at the plate. I just feel if you shit the bed like that you really need to EARN your way back to the majors, which he completely and utterly failed to do this spring. I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had a halfway decent spring, but he showed me exactly what he gave us last year. metirish Apr 01 2009 09:32 AM Make what you will of this....from the Snooze ] By keeping Anderson over Kielty, the Mets won't have a righty pinch-hitter on the bench from Game 5 on when Tatis starts - that is, other than Castro, who typically wouldn't be used in that role because he's the backup catcher. So who pinch-hits against a lefty reliever? "Livan," Manuel joked, referring to his fifth starter, who is a career .233 hitter. "I've got all that covered, man." As for the decision to keep Anderson, Mets brass cited his improved shape this spring as well as his track record as a pinch-hitter. "Marlon has been a guy that when he's right has been very, very good for us," Manuel said. Get in shape guys. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 09:37 AM Funny, on the day Livian was signed, I posted about his .233 career BA and joked that maybe they were signing him for his bat. (Can't find the link). Sometimes, the things you say in jest.... Later cooby Apr 01 2009 07:27 PM ="G-Fafif":3n4m1msd]Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.[/quote:3n4m1msd] moi aussi

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans

[G-Fafif]

Toe
Knee
Arm
Ass

My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.

[Fman99]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":28zctoou]Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans[/quote:28zctoou] Sending Kielty packing, and keeping Marlon Anderson, stinks.

HahnSolo Apr 01 2009 08:57 AM

="Fman99":1oc6dpyg] ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1oc6dpyg]Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans[/quote:1oc6dpyg] Sending Kielty packing, and keeping Marlon Anderson, stinks.[/quote:1oc6dpyg] I can understand keeping Castillo because you don't want to dump $18 mill (or whatever is owed to him) on a guy if he is not playing for you. And okay, maybe Luis is healthy this year and last year was an aberration. But Marlon? They can't eat his guarantee for one year? He resembled nothing close to a major league ballplayer at the end of '08 (heck, all of '08). Santana would have been a better lefty bat off the bench for most of last year. I can't believe he's still with the team. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:10 AM Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson? holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:10 AM Thinking about the fact that Anderson is on the roster makes me mad. Not that I am all that baseball astute. . . .but I see absolutely NO reason for him to be on the roster. He had a terrible year last year and he had a terrible spring. Why is he still here? Why can't we just cut him loose? metirish Apr 01 2009 09:14 AM I'm sure we will see Kielty before long. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM ="Edgy DC":1edz66no]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:1edz66no] He had a 40 OPS+. If that is an aberration, I would hope that it would require you earning a spot. . .which he just did not do this spring while getting a decent number of ABs (42). Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM They can. They choose not to. Because there's more to it than last year. And when you have to choose between a few options, you often have to look at the veterans first, guys with larger contracts, big league contracts, because (1) the stakes are higher as you only get one decision with them and (2) because younger players tend to make more of time in the minors than older players. Sometimes, you have to accept that you have to accept that it's in the team's interests to try Manny Aybar first and Heath Bell second. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:21 AM ="holychicken":3bmztzkb] ="Edgy DC":3bmztzkb]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:3bmztzkb] He had a 40 OPS+.[/quote:3bmztzkb] I can read. I also know that players with playing time limited due to injury and narrow roles such as pinch-hitting often end up with stats on the extreme ends of the spectrum. That number is alarming but not conclusive. I certainly don't think the 133 OPS+ the season before was conclusive. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:26 AM I understand that, edgy. But he didn't just have a down year. . . he had a downright terrible year. There are only 10 NL players who had a minimum of 100 ABs that had a worse OPS than the guy. And it is not like he has impeccable defensive skills to make up for the fact that he was basically worse than our pitchers at the plate. I just feel if you shit the bed like that you really need to EARN your way back to the majors, which he completely and utterly failed to do this spring. I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had a halfway decent spring, but he showed me exactly what he gave us last year. metirish Apr 01 2009 09:32 AM Make what you will of this....from the Snooze ] By keeping Anderson over Kielty, the Mets won't have a righty pinch-hitter on the bench from Game 5 on when Tatis starts - that is, other than Castro, who typically wouldn't be used in that role because he's the backup catcher. So who pinch-hits against a lefty reliever? "Livan," Manuel joked, referring to his fifth starter, who is a career .233 hitter. "I've got all that covered, man." As for the decision to keep Anderson, Mets brass cited his improved shape this spring as well as his track record as a pinch-hitter. "Marlon has been a guy that when he's right has been very, very good for us," Manuel said. Get in shape guys. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 09:37 AM Funny, on the day Livian was signed, I posted about his .233 career BA and joked that maybe they were signing him for his bat. (Can't find the link). Sometimes, the things you say in jest.... Later cooby Apr 01 2009 07:27 PM ="G-Fafif":3n4m1msd]Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.[/quote:3n4m1msd] moi aussi

[HahnSolo]

="Fman99":1oc6dpyg] ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1oc6dpyg]Keilty, Nieve and Dessens are cut. I think that makes 26 +/- Livan/Evans[/quote:1oc6dpyg] Sending Kielty packing, and keeping Marlon Anderson, stinks.[/quote:1oc6dpyg] I can understand keeping Castillo because you don't want to dump $18 mill (or whatever is owed to him) on a guy if he is not playing for you. And okay, maybe Luis is healthy this year and last year was an aberration. But Marlon? They can't eat his guarantee for one year? He resembled nothing close to a major league ballplayer at the end of '08 (heck, all of '08). Santana would have been a better lefty bat off the bench for most of last year. I can't believe he's still with the team. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:10 AM Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson? holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:10 AM Thinking about the fact that Anderson is on the roster makes me mad. Not that I am all that baseball astute. . . .but I see absolutely NO reason for him to be on the roster. He had a terrible year last year and he had a terrible spring. Why is he still here? Why can't we just cut him loose? metirish Apr 01 2009 09:14 AM I'm sure we will see Kielty before long. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM ="Edgy DC":1edz66no]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:1edz66no] He had a 40 OPS+. If that is an aberration, I would hope that it would require you earning a spot. . .which he just did not do this spring while getting a decent number of ABs (42). Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM They can. They choose not to. Because there's more to it than last year. And when you have to choose between a few options, you often have to look at the veterans first, guys with larger contracts, big league contracts, because (1) the stakes are higher as you only get one decision with them and (2) because younger players tend to make more of time in the minors than older players. Sometimes, you have to accept that you have to accept that it's in the team's interests to try Manny Aybar first and Heath Bell second. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:21 AM ="holychicken":3bmztzkb] ="Edgy DC":3bmztzkb]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:3bmztzkb] He had a 40 OPS+.[/quote:3bmztzkb] I can read. I also know that players with playing time limited due to injury and narrow roles such as pinch-hitting often end up with stats on the extreme ends of the spectrum. That number is alarming but not conclusive. I certainly don't think the 133 OPS+ the season before was conclusive. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:26 AM I understand that, edgy. But he didn't just have a down year. . . he had a downright terrible year. There are only 10 NL players who had a minimum of 100 ABs that had a worse OPS than the guy. And it is not like he has impeccable defensive skills to make up for the fact that he was basically worse than our pitchers at the plate. I just feel if you shit the bed like that you really need to EARN your way back to the majors, which he completely and utterly failed to do this spring. I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had a halfway decent spring, but he showed me exactly what he gave us last year. metirish Apr 01 2009 09:32 AM Make what you will of this....from the Snooze ] By keeping Anderson over Kielty, the Mets won't have a righty pinch-hitter on the bench from Game 5 on when Tatis starts - that is, other than Castro, who typically wouldn't be used in that role because he's the backup catcher. So who pinch-hits against a lefty reliever? "Livan," Manuel joked, referring to his fifth starter, who is a career .233 hitter. "I've got all that covered, man." As for the decision to keep Anderson, Mets brass cited his improved shape this spring as well as his track record as a pinch-hitter. "Marlon has been a guy that when he's right has been very, very good for us," Manuel said. Get in shape guys. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 09:37 AM Funny, on the day Livian was signed, I posted about his .233 career BA and joked that maybe they were signing him for his bat. (Can't find the link). Sometimes, the things you say in jest.... Later cooby Apr 01 2009 07:27 PM ="G-Fafif":3n4m1msd]Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.[/quote:3n4m1msd] moi aussi

[Guest Edgy DC]

Kielty hasn't been sent packing.

If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?

[Guest holychicken]

Thinking about the fact that Anderson is on the roster makes me mad. Not that I am all that baseball astute. . . .but I see absolutely NO reason for him to be on the roster. He had a terrible year last year and he had a terrible spring. Why is he still here? Why can't we just cut him loose?

[metirish]

I'm sure we will see Kielty before long.

[Guest holychicken]

="Edgy DC":1edz66no]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:1edz66no] He had a 40 OPS+. If that is an aberration, I would hope that it would require you earning a spot. . .which he just did not do this spring while getting a decent number of ABs (42).

Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:18 AM

They can. They choose not to. Because there's more to it than last year. And when you have to choose between a few options, you often have to look at the veterans first, guys with larger contracts, big league contracts, because (1) the stakes are higher as you only get one decision with them and (2) because younger players tend to make more of time in the minors than older players. Sometimes, you have to accept that you have to accept that it's in the team's interests to try Manny Aybar first and Heath Bell second.

Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 09:21 AM

="holychicken":3bmztzkb] ="Edgy DC":3bmztzkb]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:3bmztzkb] He had a 40 OPS+.[/quote:3bmztzkb] I can read. I also know that players with playing time limited due to injury and narrow roles such as pinch-hitting often end up with stats on the extreme ends of the spectrum. That number is alarming but not conclusive. I certainly don't think the 133 OPS+ the season before was conclusive. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:26 AM I understand that, edgy. But he didn't just have a down year. . . he had a downright terrible year. There are only 10 NL players who had a minimum of 100 ABs that had a worse OPS than the guy. And it is not like he has impeccable defensive skills to make up for the fact that he was basically worse than our pitchers at the plate. I just feel if you shit the bed like that you really need to EARN your way back to the majors, which he completely and utterly failed to do this spring. I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had a halfway decent spring, but he showed me exactly what he gave us last year. metirish Apr 01 2009 09:32 AM Make what you will of this....from the Snooze ] By keeping Anderson over Kielty, the Mets won't have a righty pinch-hitter on the bench from Game 5 on when Tatis starts - that is, other than Castro, who typically wouldn't be used in that role because he's the backup catcher. So who pinch-hits against a lefty reliever? "Livan," Manuel joked, referring to his fifth starter, who is a career .233 hitter. "I've got all that covered, man." As for the decision to keep Anderson, Mets brass cited his improved shape this spring as well as his track record as a pinch-hitter. "Marlon has been a guy that when he's right has been very, very good for us," Manuel said. Get in shape guys. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 09:37 AM Funny, on the day Livian was signed, I posted about his .233 career BA and joked that maybe they were signing him for his bat. (Can't find the link). Sometimes, the things you say in jest.... Later cooby Apr 01 2009 07:27 PM ="G-Fafif":3n4m1msd]Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.[/quote:3n4m1msd] moi aussi

[Guest Edgy DC]

They can. They choose not to. Because there's more to it than last year. And when you have to choose between a few options, you often have to look at the veterans first, guys with larger contracts, big league contracts, because (1) the stakes are higher as you only get one decision with them and (2) because younger players tend to make more of time in the minors than older players.

Sometimes, you have to accept that you have to accept that it's in the team's interests to try Manny Aybar first and Heath Bell second.

[Guest Edgy DC]

="holychicken":3bmztzkb] ="Edgy DC":3bmztzkb]Kielty hasn't been sent packing. If 2008 was an abberation for Castillo, why couldn't it have possibly been for Anderson?[/quote:3bmztzkb] He had a 40 OPS+.[/quote:3bmztzkb] I can read. I also know that players with playing time limited due to injury and narrow roles such as pinch-hitting often end up with stats on the extreme ends of the spectrum. That number is alarming but not conclusive. I certainly don't think the 133 OPS+ the season before was conclusive. holychicken Apr 01 2009 09:26 AM I understand that, edgy. But he didn't just have a down year. . . he had a downright terrible year. There are only 10 NL players who had a minimum of 100 ABs that had a worse OPS than the guy. And it is not like he has impeccable defensive skills to make up for the fact that he was basically worse than our pitchers at the plate. I just feel if you shit the bed like that you really need to EARN your way back to the majors, which he completely and utterly failed to do this spring. I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had a halfway decent spring, but he showed me exactly what he gave us last year. metirish Apr 01 2009 09:32 AM Make what you will of this....from the Snooze ] By keeping Anderson over Kielty, the Mets won't have a righty pinch-hitter on the bench from Game 5 on when Tatis starts - that is, other than Castro, who typically wouldn't be used in that role because he's the backup catcher. So who pinch-hits against a lefty reliever? "Livan," Manuel joked, referring to his fifth starter, who is a career .233 hitter. "I've got all that covered, man." As for the decision to keep Anderson, Mets brass cited his improved shape this spring as well as his track record as a pinch-hitter. "Marlon has been a guy that when he's right has been very, very good for us," Manuel said. Get in shape guys. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 09:37 AM Funny, on the day Livian was signed, I posted about his .233 career BA and joked that maybe they were signing him for his bat. (Can't find the link). Sometimes, the things you say in jest.... Later cooby Apr 01 2009 07:27 PM ="G-Fafif":3n4m1msd]Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.[/quote:3n4m1msd] moi aussi

[Guest holychicken]

I understand that, edgy. But he didn't just have a down year. . . he had a downright terrible year.

There are only 10 NL players who had a minimum of 100 ABs that had a worse OPS than the guy.

And it is not like he has impeccable defensive skills to make up for the fact that he was basically worse than our pitchers at the plate.

I just feel if you shit the bed like that you really need to EARN your way back to the majors, which he completely and utterly failed to do this spring. I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had a halfway decent spring, but he showed me exactly what he gave us last year.

[metirish]

Make what you will of this....from the Snooze

] By keeping Anderson over Kielty, the Mets won't have a righty pinch-hitter on the bench from Game 5 on when Tatis starts - that is, other than Castro, who typically wouldn't be used in that role because he's the backup catcher. So who pinch-hits against a lefty reliever? "Livan," Manuel joked, referring to his fifth starter, who is a career .233 hitter. "I've got all that covered, man." As for the decision to keep Anderson, Mets brass cited his improved shape this spring as well as his track record as a pinch-hitter. "Marlon has been a guy that when he's right has been very, very good for us," Manuel said.

Get in shape guys.

[MFS62]

Funny, on the day Livian was signed, I posted about his .233 career BA and joked that maybe they were signing him for his bat. (Can't find the link).
Sometimes, the things you say in jest....
Later

[Guest cooby]

="G-Fafif":3n4m1msd]Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.[/quote:3n4m1msd] moi aussi