CC Sabathia

[dgwphotography]

="Frayed Knot":1jgkkakp]And, once again, ESPN makes one of its guys (Tim Kurkjian this time) look silly by airing a report by him where he says that the Sabathia thing if still up in the air while a crawl underneath cites Sherman/NYPost saying it's a done deal.[/quote:1jgkkakp] I thought I read an article somewhere saying that ESPN was working on changing its morning lineup, and working on providing live reports in the morning in order to prevent this. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

metirish Dec 10 2008 07:43 AM

I think that's what ESPN 360 is , actual live on the air stuff. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

metirish Dec 10 2008 07:50 AM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":37q964hb]Eh. He's fat.[/quote:37q964hb] I'd be worried about this fellas arm falling off , I wonder what weight he ill be by the end of the contract. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 07:56 AM I'm just waiting for Hank to call him a "Fat Toad." (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 07:59 AM If this deal is finalized, I think the Yanks just got a lot better in the short-term, but might be dealing with an albatross of a contract in a few years. CC is a big dude who has thrown a lot of innings as a young pitcher, and 23 million a year is a heavy millstone, even for the Steinbrennies, to carry if his production falls off. Last year, PECOTA gave him a 22% collapse rate and a 14% attrition rate. Those numbers will improve after last season is factored in, but they won't approach Santana's 15% collapse, 3% attrition rate. Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 08:00 AM I'm waiting for the outrage over the cap turned to the side and the over-sized jersey untucked. It's not "the Yankee Way." (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) DocTee Dec 10 2008 08:07 AM And once again, the MFYs steal the back pages from Omar, as Frankie gets but one day as headliner. Sigh. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 08:24 AM The Yankees can have all the back pages they want. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2008 08:26 AM Seems to me CC sabathia is way too fat to be stuffed into an AP thread. Give him his own! (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 08:34 AM Merged three CC threads. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2008 08:45 AM Now we're talking. 23 mills a year for 7 years. That's a lot of burgers. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 08:50 AM The back pages I expect to see: C.C. TAKE-A- BATH-ON-YA FAT TOAD II $23 MILLION FOR THIS?! TRAINING TABLE DISASTER!! SORTORIALLY CHALLENGED YANKS FIRE EQUIP MANAGER AFTER INABILITY TO FIT SABATHIA INTO UNIFORM COSTS HIM START Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:15 AM I lke the fact that the Yanx had to go top their own offer which was already some $40mil above the next highest offer. Now it's $60mil above. Yanqui fans yesterday were pretty funny. Egged on by Francesa, who was ready to throw in the towel on CC, the minions were in full 'Fuck Him' mode, deciding that if he really wanted to pitch for them he'd have already grabbed the offer. And the reasoning was classic MFY: - we're the Yanquis, we shouldn't be chasing him, he should be chasing us!! - this proves that he's just another Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Ed Whitson, etc. who can't handle NYC - anyone who doesn't prefer to live in NY is wrong Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:21 AM Randy Johnson can't handle being a Yankee. He can only handle kicking their asses to the tune of 3-0, 1.04 and ending their championship run, perhaps forever. Centerfield Dec 10 2008 09:21 AM I figured he'd go there all along, but now that he's signed, that rotation is going to be pretty sick. Sabathia, Wang, Joba, and either AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe (from what I hear, they're not nearly done). It's a good thing they still have A-Rod, who doesn't have what it takes to win, or else they might be pretty dangerous next year. Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:31 AM ="Iubitul"]I thought I read an article somewhere saying that ESPN was working on changing its morning lineup, and working on providing live reports in the morning in order to prevent this. I think they go to a live SportsCenter at 9AM or something but their early morning telecast is still basically the same stuff they've been running since late night. So when stuff happens at 3AM (KRod) or 4AM (CC) their reports are not wrong but sometimes in direct contradiction to the up-to-date crawl across the bottom of the screen and when the two sync-up it's pretty funny. P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along. Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:50 AM Rumors of an opt-out partway through CC's deal?!? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 10:02 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 10 2008 10:46 AM Wow, the Yankees lose control if he stays healthy and there's still a market for him? Suckers. metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 10:15 AM P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along. This is standard operating procedure for the television types out here. People I've talked to for a story tell me that TV people will call after a story has been in print and say, "Is everything in the paper correct?" and that's the only question they ask. Then, they use all the details from the story on the air and drop in the "as we told you at noon" or "We have learned..." or some other weasel phrase. We usually end up throwing things at the newsroom television. But back to Sabbathia. An over-worked West Coast guy with a weight problem does not seem like a good $23 mill a year investment for seven years. Meanwhile, the Santana deal keeps looking better and better and better and better...

Centerfield Dec 10 2008 10:38 AM

Sabathia won't exercise that opt-out clause if he truly wants to be a Yankee. And if he does, management won't take well to that. They will probably get really mad for at least three or four days before putting more money on the table.

metirish Dec 10 2008 10:48 AM

It was only yesterday I was reading that in his heart he didn't want the yankees.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 11:02 AM

Well, his wallet seems to have been interested.

metirish Dec 10 2008 11:09 AM

="Benjamin Grimm":3qswapjd]Well, his wallet seems to have been interested.[/quote:3qswapjd] Well yeah of course , I never thought he was going anywhere but the Bronx. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:18 AM While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform, the Boston road grays look the best on fat guys. smg58 Dec 10 2008 11:20 AM ="Vince Coleman Firecracker":26rmr4vx]Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him.[/quote:26rmr4vx] Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:25 AM Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some. Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 11:26 AM ="smg58":2ksav5fb]Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts.[/quote:2ksav5fb] I absolutely assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts, and I don't think I'm wrong in doing so. Does that mean he'll definitely out-perform Sabathia over their contracts respective durations? No, but if you had to pick which one will out-perform the other, which would you pick? Gwreck Dec 10 2008 11:41 AM ="Edgy DC":2vb3wfno]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:2vb3wfno] Detroit home whites? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:56 AM They certainly can land some punches against the champ. metirish Dec 10 2008 11:57 AM ="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss? Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM ="Gwreck":d6umr4hw] ="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt] ="Gwreck":1qa74opt] ="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

[metirish]

I think that's what ESPN 360 is , actual live on the air stuff.


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[metirish]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":37q964hb]Eh. He's fat.[/quote:37q964hb] I'd be worried about this fellas arm falling off , I wonder what weight he ill be by the end of the contract. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 07:56 AM

I'm just waiting for Hank to call him a "Fat Toad." (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 07:59 AM

If this deal is finalized, I think the Yanks just got a lot better in the short-term, but might be dealing with an albatross of a contract in a few years. CC is a big dude who has thrown a lot of innings as a young pitcher, and 23 million a year is a heavy millstone, even for the Steinbrennies, to carry if his production falls off. Last year, PECOTA gave him a 22% collapse rate and a 14% attrition rate. Those numbers will improve after last season is factored in, but they won't approach Santana's 15% collapse, 3% attrition rate. Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 08:00 AM

I'm waiting for the outrage over the cap turned to the side and the over-sized jersey untucked. It's not "the Yankee Way." (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

DocTee Dec 10 2008 08:07 AM

And once again, the MFYs steal the back pages from Omar, as Frankie gets but one day as headliner. Sigh. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 08:24 AM

The Yankees can have all the back pages they want. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2008 08:26 AM

Seems to me CC sabathia is way too fat to be stuffed into an AP thread. Give him his own! (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 08:34 AM

Merged three CC threads.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2008 08:45 AM

Now we're talking. 23 mills a year for 7 years. That's a lot of burgers.

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 08:50 AM

The back pages I expect to see: C.C. TAKE-A- BATH-ON-YA FAT TOAD II $23 MILLION FOR THIS?! TRAINING TABLE DISASTER!! SORTORIALLY CHALLENGED YANKS FIRE EQUIP MANAGER AFTER INABILITY TO FIT SABATHIA INTO UNIFORM COSTS HIM START

Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:15 AM

I lke the fact that the Yanx had to go top their own offer which was already some $40mil above the next highest offer. Now it's $60mil above. Yanqui fans yesterday were pretty funny. Egged on by Francesa, who was ready to throw in the towel on CC, the minions were in full 'Fuck Him' mode, deciding that if he really wanted to pitch for them he'd have already grabbed the offer. And the reasoning was classic MFY: - we're the Yanquis, we shouldn't be chasing him, he should be chasing us!! - this proves that he's just another Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Ed Whitson, etc. who can't handle NYC - anyone who doesn't prefer to live in NY is wrong

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:21 AM

Randy Johnson can't handle being a Yankee. He can only handle kicking their asses to the tune of 3-0, 1.04 and ending their championship run, perhaps forever.

Centerfield Dec 10 2008 09:21 AM

I figured he'd go there all along, but now that he's signed, that rotation is going to be pretty sick. Sabathia, Wang, Joba, and either AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe (from what I hear, they're not nearly done). It's a good thing they still have A-Rod, who doesn't have what it takes to win, or else they might be pretty dangerous next year.

Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:31 AM

="Iubitul"]I thought I read an article somewhere saying that ESPN was working on changing its morning lineup, and working on providing live reports in the morning in order to prevent this. I think they go to a live SportsCenter at 9AM or something but their early morning telecast is still basically the same stuff they've been running since late night. So when stuff happens at 3AM (KRod) or 4AM (CC) their reports are not wrong but sometimes in direct contradiction to the up-to-date crawl across the bottom of the screen and when the two sync-up it's pretty funny. P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along.

Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:50 AM

Rumors of an opt-out partway through CC's deal?!?

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 10:02 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 10 2008 10:46 AM

Wow, the Yankees lose control if he stays healthy and there's still a market for him? Suckers.

metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 10:15 AM

P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along.

This is standard operating procedure for the television types out here. People I've talked to for a story tell me that TV people will call after a story has been in print and say, "Is everything in the paper correct?" and that's the only question they ask. Then, they use all the details from the story on the air and drop in the "as we told you at noon" or "We have learned..." or some other weasel phrase. We usually end up throwing things at the newsroom television.

But back to Sabbathia. An over-worked West Coast guy with a weight problem does not seem like a good $23 mill a year investment for seven years.

Meanwhile, the Santana deal keeps looking better and better and better and better...

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm just waiting for Hank to call him a "Fat Toad."


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

If this deal is finalized, I think the Yanks just got a lot better in the short-term, but might be dealing with an albatross of a contract in a few years. CC is a big dude who has thrown a lot of innings as a young pitcher, and 23 million a year is a heavy millstone, even for the Steinbrennies, to carry if his production falls off. Last year, PECOTA gave him a 22% collapse rate and a 14% attrition rate. Those numbers will improve after last season is factored in, but they won't approach Santana's 15% collapse, 3% attrition rate.

Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier.

I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him.


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I'm waiting for the outrage over the cap turned to the side and the over-sized jersey untucked. It's not "the Yankee Way."


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[DocTee]

And once again, the MFYs steal the back pages from Omar, as Frankie gets but one day as headliner. Sigh.


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Yankees can have all the back pages they want.


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Seems to me CC sabathia is way too fat to be stuffed into an AP thread. Give him his own!


(Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008)

[Benjamin Grimm]

Merged three CC threads.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Now we're talking.

23 mills a year for 7 years. That's a lot of burgers.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The back pages I expect to see:

C.C. TAKE-A-
BATH-ON-YA

FAT TOAD II

$23 MILLION
FOR THIS?!

TRAINING
TABLE
DISASTER!!

SORTORIALLY
CHALLENGED

YANKS FIRE EQUIP
MANAGER AFTER
INABILITY TO FIT
SABATHIA INTO
UNIFORM COSTS
HIM START

[Frayed Knot]

I lke the fact that the Yanx had to go top their own offer which was already some $40mil above the next highest offer. Now it's $60mil above.


Yanqui fans yesterday were pretty funny.
Egged on by Francesa, who was ready to throw in the towel on CC, the minions were in full 'Fuck Him' mode, deciding that if he really wanted to pitch for them he'd have already grabbed the offer.

And the reasoning was classic MFY:
- we're the Yanquis, we shouldn't be chasing him, he should be chasing us!!
- this proves that he's just another Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Ed Whitson, etc. who can't handle NYC
- anyone who doesn't prefer to live in NY is wrong

[Guest Edgy DC]

Randy Johnson can't handle being a Yankee. He can only handle kicking their asses to the tune of 3-0, 1.04 and ending their championship run, perhaps forever.

[Centerfield]

I figured he'd go there all along, but now that he's signed, that rotation is going to be pretty sick. Sabathia, Wang, Joba, and either AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe (from what I hear, they're not nearly done).

It's a good thing they still have A-Rod, who doesn't have what it takes to win, or else they might be pretty dangerous next year.

[Frayed Knot]

="Iubitul"]I thought I read an article somewhere saying that ESPN was working on changing its morning lineup, and working on providing live reports in the morning in order to prevent this.

I think they go to a live SportsCenter at 9AM or something but their early morning telecast is still basically the same stuff they've been running since late night.

So when stuff happens at 3AM (KRod) or 4AM (CC) their reports are not wrong but sometimes in direct contradiction to the up-to-date crawl across the bottom of the screen and when the two sync-up it's pretty funny.



P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along.

[Frayed Knot]

Rumors of an opt-out partway through CC's deal?!?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Wow, the Yankees lose control if he stays healthy and there's still a market for him?

Suckers.

Edited December 10, 2008 by Guest

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along.

[Centerfield]

Sabathia won't exercise that opt-out clause if he truly wants to be a Yankee. And if he does, management won't take well to that. They will probably get really mad for at least three or four days before putting more money on the table.

[metirish]

It was only yesterday I was reading that in his heart he didn't want the yankees.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, his wallet seems to have been interested.

[metirish]

="Benjamin Grimm":3qswapjd]Well, his wallet seems to have been interested.[/quote:3qswapjd] Well yeah of course , I never thought he was going anywhere but the Bronx.

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:18 AM

While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform, the Boston road grays look the best on fat guys.

smg58 Dec 10 2008 11:20 AM

="Vince Coleman Firecracker":26rmr4vx]Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him.[/quote:26rmr4vx] Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:25 AM Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some. Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 11:26 AM ="smg58":2ksav5fb]Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts.[/quote:2ksav5fb] I absolutely assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts, and I don't think I'm wrong in doing so. Does that mean he'll definitely out-perform Sabathia over their contracts respective durations? No, but if you had to pick which one will out-perform the other, which would you pick? Gwreck Dec 10 2008 11:41 AM ="Edgy DC":2vb3wfno]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:2vb3wfno] Detroit home whites? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:56 AM They certainly can land some punches against the champ. metirish Dec 10 2008 11:57 AM ="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss? Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM ="Gwreck":d6umr4hw] ="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt] ="Gwreck":1qa74opt] ="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

[Guest Edgy DC]

While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform, the Boston road grays look the best on fat guys.

[smg58]

="Vince Coleman Firecracker":26rmr4vx]Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him.[/quote:26rmr4vx] Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts.

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:25 AM

Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 11:26 AM

="smg58":2ksav5fb]Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts.[/quote:2ksav5fb] I absolutely assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts, and I don't think I'm wrong in doing so. Does that mean he'll definitely out-perform Sabathia over their contracts respective durations? No, but if you had to pick which one will out-perform the other, which would you pick? Gwreck Dec 10 2008 11:41 AM ="Edgy DC":2vb3wfno]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:2vb3wfno] Detroit home whites? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:56 AM They certainly can land some punches against the champ. metirish Dec 10 2008 11:57 AM ="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss? Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM ="Gwreck":d6umr4hw] ="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt] ="Gwreck":1qa74opt] ="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

="smg58":2ksav5fb]Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts.[/quote:2ksav5fb] I absolutely assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts, and I don't think I'm wrong in doing so. Does that mean he'll definitely out-perform Sabathia over their contracts respective durations? No, but if you had to pick which one will out-perform the other, which would you pick?

Gwreck Dec 10 2008 11:41 AM

="Edgy DC":2vb3wfno]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:2vb3wfno] Detroit home whites? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:56 AM They certainly can land some punches against the champ. metirish Dec 10 2008 11:57 AM ="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss? Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM ="Gwreck":d6umr4hw] ="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt] ="Gwreck":1qa74opt] ="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

[Gwreck]

="Edgy DC":2vb3wfno]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:2vb3wfno] Detroit home whites?

Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:56 AM

They certainly can land some punches against the champ.

metirish Dec 10 2008 11:57 AM

="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss? Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM ="Gwreck":d6umr4hw] ="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt] ="Gwreck":1qa74opt] ="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

[Guest Edgy DC]

They certainly can land some punches against the champ.

[metirish]

="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss?

Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM

Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate

metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM

="Gwreck":d6umr4hw] ="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt] ="Gwreck":1qa74opt] ="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.