2007 Crane Pool Forum Rankings Thread

[nymr83]

why the obssession with replacement level? if everyone was replacement level we'd win 50 games. you should be comparing guys to the average player to determine whether they are helping or hurting

Can we just stop posting about the NBA? I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

i'm trying to make the point that below-average production over a larger number of chances is hurtful not helpful.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Question for the room: Explain Green relative to Delgado

Higher for the extra 100 ABs and the 24-10 HR gap.
IsoP = .190 vs .139

[metsmarathon]

Nymr83 wrote: why the obssession with replacement level? if everyone was replacement level we'd win 50 games. you should be comparing guys to the average player to determine whether they are helping or hurting Can we just stop posting about the NBA? I honestly don't know what you're talking about. i'm trying to make the point that below-average production over a larger number of chances is hurtful not helpful.

quick question: kaz matsui.

has he helped or hurt the rockies this year?

[Edgy MD]

Nymr83 wrote: why the obssession with replacement level?

I'm not obsessed with anything.

Nymr83 wrote: if everyone was replacement level we'd win 50 games.

Fewer, but how is that relevant? We're not talking about replacement level player. We're talking about a guy who produced below league average but above replacement level.

How many games would we win if everyone got 157 plate appearances and left the rest of the appearances to guys picked up off the waiver wire?

Nymr83 wrote: you should be comparing guys to the average player to determine whether they are helping or hurting

No I shouldn't.

Nymr83 wrote: i'm trying to make the point that below-average production over a larger number of chances is hurtful not helpful.

Hurtful relative to what? It's a key question. If somebody is struggling along at eighty-ninety percent of the league average, do you think most teams have a guy on the bench at every position who will produce at league average to replace him. It doesn't work that way.

The Mets had a better hitter this year backing up Lo Duca, but he didn't get the playing time to claim he outproduced him. Several men, a robot and a couple of databases have averred this as being clearly the case.

I once was slow figuring this out (It's probably in the archives), but a guy producing below league average is not a negative --- not positive enough to build a championship around, but not a below zero contributor either.

League average isn't your zero point.

The logical extension of your reasoning is that (1) Pedro Martinez is the top performing Met pitcher, whle you know he isn't, and (2) I was more productive than Paul LoDuca this year by sitting home and doing nothing.

[nymr83]

metsmarathon wrote: quick question: kaz matsui. has he helped or hurt the rockies this year?

thats not a quick question, its a pretty hard one... he had an OPS+ of 87 but stole 32 bases while only being caught 4 times. he played the 3rd or 4th hardest of the 8 defensive positions and i'm not really sure how well he played it.
if you told me that his defense was very good along with the good baserunning i'd say he helped. if you told me that along with the 87 ops+ he was a bad defender i'd say he hurt.

[Vic Sage]

and (2) I was more productive than Paul LoDuca this year by sitting home and doing nothing.

© Norrin Radd 2002 (?), all rights reserved.

[Edgy MD]

It was Wide BeeGee who pants me for treating league averageness as an entitlement, and anybody below average as actually counter productive and worth less than a guy who slugged .650 in a handful of at-bats. i was ranking Rey Ordoñez; 27th or something, behind Rich Becker. Wrongly.

I forget who you were pantsing in aught-two, but yeah, that's Norrin.