Game 1 Rehash

[Guest cooby]

Really? Do you think she'll be free next summer?

[MFS62]

soupcan wrote: ="MFS62"]He was originally a shortstop and I doubt many other "pure" second basemen would have had a strong enough arm to make that throw. It was a throw from a deep infield position. My mom could've gotten it to the plate from there.

Was your mom a shortstop?

From the replay, it looked like Green's throw barely would reach the dirt part of the infield, if that far. And the weakest arm in the infield usually plays second base. I have no doubt an average shortstop or third baseman could have made that throw, But having an ex-shortstop at second is an indication to me that the karma is going the Mets' way.

Later

[Gwreck]

Yes, relay throw was Valentin.

[Farmer Ted]

Ted: Wow, that was a great national anthem today. Who was that guy? Milton Davis?

Branford: That's MILES Davis.

Ted: Right. He was fan-freaking-tastic.

Branford: Actually it was Branford Marsalis playing the national anthem.

Ted: No, you mean Wynton Marsalis. I think he's also known as George Clinton of the P-Funk. After 81 home games I guess they can't find anyone new that can sing that damn song. Not like I know the words. Man, you have some big cheeks.

[metirish]

I'm shocked one of us here made this crack...from Bill Simmons..

] 1:08 -- On the downside, the Mets' pitching rotation (and postseason chances) have been decimated by injuries. On the upside, that led to today's pitching matchup being Lowe-Maine. Get it? Lowe-Maine. Nearly 200 people e-mailed me this joke today. Don't blame me.

Lowe-Maine.....brilliant.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Keep in mind that that the quick hook allows Randolph to bring Mainer back on short rest if he so wishes.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

That occurred to me, too. Which would mean Maine in Game 4. But to follow that up, you're left with the following alternatives if there's a Game 5: Glavine on short rest, Oliver Perez, or perhaps Darren Oliver. (Is Dave Williams on the roster? I can't remember.)

[Willets Point]

I think Jim, the monsterously huge batboy is pegged to start in that situation.

[Gwreck]

Williams is not on the roster.

The pitching decision will likely be a function of the score in the series.

If we are down 1-2, we'd probably go with Maine in Game 4 and we'd probably go with Glavine on short rest in Game 5.

If we are up 2-1, I predict Oliver Perez will take the ball.

If we win 3-0 we don't need to worry.

[MFS62]

Scoring rules question: Did Green get credited for one or two outfield assists on that DP?
Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Two outs. Two assists.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Gwreck wrote: The pitching decision will likely be a function of the score in the series. If we are down 1-2, we'd probably go with Maine in Game 4 and we'd probably go with Glavine on short rest in Game 5. If we are up 2-1, I predict Oliver Perez will take the ball.

I suspect that's right.

I predict that either way, Game 4 is going to be a tension convention. I'd really like to see this series end in three games. Neither of the alternatives for Game 4 makes me feel warm or fuzzy.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Huh. I'm sure you're right, Edgy, but I scored an assist for Green on the tag of Kent, then unassisted for the tag of Drew.

Is it 2 assists because LoDuca retained possession of the ball in between outs?

[Guest Edgy DC]

The play begins with the first fielder. If the shortstop tosses the ball to second and the secondbaseman makes a forceout out and relays the ball to first for the doubleplay, the shortstop gets two assists, but only one if the play isn't made at first, despite him having a limited ability to influence what happens after he releases the ball.

I don't see why this play should be different.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The shortstop gets two assists on a 6-4-3?

That doesn't sound right to me.

I'd say the shortstop gets the assist for the first out. The second baseman gets the putout for the first out and the assist for the second out.

[Gwreck]

The play should be scored:

Assist to Green
Assist to Valentin
Putouts (2) to LoDuca.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Gwreck wrote: The play should be scored: Assist to Green Assist to Valentin Putouts (2) to LoDuca.

That makes sense.

So if we'd only gotten Kent out, would it be scored:

Assist to Green
Assist to Valentin
Putout (1) to LoDuca?

[Gwreck]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I predict that either way, Game 4 is going to be a tension convention. I'd really like to see this series end in three games. Neither of the alternatives for Game 4 makes me feel warm or fuzzy.

The Dodgers have their own troubles to worry about. They've announced Brad Penny as the game 4 starter. Other options include Aaron Sele, Billingsley, Tomko and Hendrickson.

[Gwreck]

Rotblatt wrote: ="Gwreck"]The play should be scored: Assist to Green Assist to Valentin Putouts (2) to LoDuca. That makes sense. So if we'd only gotten Kent out, would it be scored: Assist to Green Assist to Valentin Putout (1) to LoDuca?

Exactly.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: The shortstop gets two assists on a 6-4-3? That doesn't sound right to me. I'd say the shortstop gets the assist for the first out. The second baseman gets the putout for the first out and the assist for the second out.

I put a 6-4 in the box of the baserunner and a 6-4-3 in the box of the batter.

The shortstop gets two assists at the end of the day, the secondbaseman a putout and an assist.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Tomko faced the Mets 3 times this preseason and did great, and got off to a good start as a starter this year, then imploded.

Remember there was a dude on the mofo who thought Tomko was the shiznit? On his better days he's not bad.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Edgy DC wrote: I put a 6-4 in the box of the baserunner and a 6-4-3 in the box of the batter. The shortstop gets two assists at the end of the day, the secondbaseman a putout and an assist.

Ah, that makes sense as well. I think I'll start doing that--usually I just put a 6-4-3 in the box of the batter, then put the out # in the box of the baserunner.

So in a rundown, am I right in thinking that everyone involved on the play gets an assist?

So a 1-3-6-1-4-3 play would have 5 assists? And the first baseman would be credited with an assist and a putout?

[Guest Edgy DC]

That's the way I'd do it. I could be wrong. I do know for certain, however, that you can only get a single assist on a single putout, no matter how long a rundown goes on.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Edgy DC wrote: That's the way I'd do it. I could be wrong. I do know for certain, however, that you can only get a single assist on a single putout, no matter how long a rundown goes on.

Ah, that makes sense. So even if the second baseman threw the ball twice, he'd only get one assist.

Nifty.

I'm such a geek, that I love find out about this shit.

[Frayed Knot]

I'm not even so sure that they give an assist to the first guy, aka: the guy before the guy who fed the putout.
IOW, Valentin gets the assist for feeding LoDuca but not Green for merely feeding Valentin. A 6-4-3 is different since the first feed leads directly to an out.
This ain't hockey after all.

The weird part of the scoring on that play is that the batter only gets a single since lead runner Kent did NOT advance safely two bases.

[MFS62]

FK- Any player that touches the ball gets credited with an assist if an out results. Like when a comebacker goes off the pitcher's glove to an infielder who throws the runner out, the pitcher gets an assist.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

I know it's written that way on scorecards, but do they always tally those up in the 'Assists' column?
After all, when discussing OFer assists it's generally thought to represent those who the OFer himself threw out, not ones where said OFer dug the ball out of the corner and some guy was tagged out two relays later. Nor, do I believe, that the SS gets 2 assists on a 6-4-3

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The rule book isn't all that clear on the matter:

]ASSISTS 10.11 An assist shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects a batted or thrown ball in such a way that a putout results, or would have resulted except for a subsequent error by any fielder. Only one assist and no more shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball in a run-down play which results in a putout, or would have resulted in a putout, except for a subsequent error. NOTE: Mere ineffective contact with the ball shall not be considered an assist. �Deflect� shall mean to slow down or change the direction of the ball and thereby effectively assist in putting out a batter or runner. (a) Credit an assist to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball during a play which results in a runner being called out for interference, or for running out of line. ( Do not credit an assist to the pitcher on a strikeout. EXCEPTION: Credit an assist if the pitcher fields an uncaught third strike and makes a throw which results in a putout. (c) Do not credit an assist to the pitcher when, as the result of a legal pitch received by the catcher, a runner is put out, as when the catcher picks a runner off base, throws out a runner trying to steal, or tags a runner trying to score. (d) Do not credit an assist to a fielder whose wild throw permits a runner to advance, even though the runner subsequently is put out as a result of continuous play. A play which follows a misplay (whether or not it is an error) is a new play, and the fielder making any misplay shall not be credited with an assist unless he takes part in the new play.

[Gwreck]

I think it's very clear.
Green and Valentin each get an assist. They threw the ball as part of the first putout.

There was no assist on the second putout.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I meant it wasn't clear about the 6-4-3 double play.