IGT 8-23-06 Mets vs Cards, Don't forget Mak Modah!

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: Well, I know one, and he subsequently became a Met.

I would have thought it might have been Mays or Roberto Alomar, but each of them was short in one category in their best comparable year.
Don't keep us in suspense.

Later

[metirish]

Rickey Henderson?

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: Rickey Henderson?

Career high in triples was seven. He'd rather stop at second and then steal third.

[Frayed Knot]

It's the infamous ... Juan Samuel

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: It's the infamous ... Juan Samuel

Sorry for the delay in responding. I had to pick myself up off the floor.


Later

[seawolf17]

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE not compare Jose Reyes to Juan Samuel, Ruiner Of Franchises?

[Frayed Knot]

Hey, he just missed doing it twice more - while only slightly older than Reyes.
Now you know what so intrigued Davey about him.

Problem is, they should have gone looking at OBAs. You'd think the computer-savvy Davey would have be wiser to that.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Ruiner of franchises?

That's a bit extreme.

Maybe some day Samuel will manage the Mets to their fourth (or fifth? or sixth?) World Championship.

Would that redeem him?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Samuel didn't ruin the Mets. The guys who traded for him did.

In his day, he was a lot like young Reyes -- great speed/power combo, low OBP. I'm of the opinion that sliding head first on the hard surface of Vets stadium ruined his wrists and forearms and elbows and made him a less effective hitter gradually, and when he lost his great speed, a lot of his game went away.

His stats prior to and post the trade in 89 were probably within a range of one another: He wasn't having a good year before he was traded to the Mets and didn't since.

[seawolf17]

I was just kidding. It's all good.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I never understood the idea of hating the guys who come to the Mets in bad trades.

It's not Juan Samuel's fault the Mets gave up Lenny and Roger for him.

Victor Zambrano didn't pull the trigger on the Kazmir deal.

Jim Fregosi didn't lobby to be traded to the Mets.

I can, however, understand griping when a player comes to the Mets and immediately goes into decline, like Roberto Alomar and George Foster did. But again, it's not like they chose to play badly.

On the other hand, I had a friend once who was a Cleveland Indians fan, and he grew to hate Keith Hernandez, and I understand his perspective. Keith signed a contract with the Indians after he left the Mets, but after playing a few games with them pretty much lost interest. He got injured and never even tried to return. While the Indians were paying Keith to not play, he kept turning up in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids in photos taken at social events in New York.