KTE: Cincy Reds

[stevejrogers]

Baby, if you�ve been wondering,
Wondering, whats up with the Mets
They�re playing ball this week in Cincinnati,
Versus Reds at the GABP!

Seems like Mets are winning and winning
Town to town, up and down the league,
Maybe the Mets can win in Cincy,
Just watch and enjoy the games for a while.

Headin' up that highway leavin' the NL East behind,
Playoffs will be starting in a few,
Perhaps Reds will too, but there is plenty of time
Who knows, we may be playing in Saint Lou.

Hope Omar�s moves will help our starting pitching,
Maybe a Willis or a Barry Zito.
It's getting late, deadline is in a week or so,
So lets watch the Mets and hope this lead they won�t blow.

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Baby, if you�ve been wondering,
Wondering, whats up with the Mets
They�re playing ball this week in Cincinnati,
Versus Reds at the GABP!

Seems like Mets are winning and winning
Town to town, up and down the league,
Maybe the Mets can win in Cincy,
Just watch and enjoy the games for a while.
Three games at GABP in Cincinnati!.

The Reds head into this series at 49-44 and are 3.5 games behind the first place Cardinals, as well as a 4 game winning streak after sweeping the Rockies. They also hold a 2 and a half game lead over the Dodgers for the Wild Card

And here are your Reds (Stats W-L ERA, Batting Avg HR RBI):
P

22 L/L Eric Milton 6-4 5.19
Will be facing Mike Pelfrey Tuesday night

39 R/R Aaron Harang 10-6 3.51
Will go Wednesday night against Steve Trachsel

61 R/R Bronson Arroyo 9-6 2.96
Will go Thursday afternoon (12:35 start) against Tom Glavine

46 B/R Joe Mays 0-1 6.56

54 L/R Elizardo Ramirez 3-6 4.16

81 R/L Eddie Guardado Closer 0-0 2.45 3 Saves

45 L/L Bill Bray Combined 2-1 3.75

56 R/R Todd Coffey 4-4 3.38 7 saves

38 R/R Gary Majewski Combined 3-2 3.97

50 L/L Kent Merker 1-1 4.74

35 R/R Jason Standridge 1-1 8.10

25 R/R David Weathers 3-3 4.85 9 saves

INJ 60 36 R/R Grant Balfour DNP

INJ 15 31 R/R Matt Belisle 2-0 4.24

INJ 15 34 R/L Brandon Claussen 3-8 6.19

INJ 60 40 R/R Paul Wilson DNP

C

23 R/R Jason LaRue .318 4 14

17 B/R Javier Valentin .224 2 14

INJ 15 26 R/R David Ross .311 12 31

INF

21 L/R 1B Scott Hatteberg .311 8 29

4 R/R 2B Brandon Phillips .294 7 45

12 R/R 3B Edwin Encarnacion .281 6 37

2 R/R SS Royce Clayton Combined .272 0 30

33 R/R Rich Aurilia .275 11 36

9 R/R Juan Castro .316 2 6

OF

44 L/R LF Adam Dunn .248 30 64

3 L/R CF Ken Griffey .253 19 51

19 R/R RF Chris Denorfia .318 3 9

6 R/R Ryan Freel .296 5 15

15 L/L Dewayne Wise No hits in 9 At-Bats

Your X-Factor
Mets
David Weathers
Paul Wilson 60 Day DL

Reds

Juan Padilla 60 Day DL (2004)


History Lesson
1968�

Ever wonder why the heck MLB had the very Eastern Atlanta Braves and semi Eastern Cincinnati Reds in the National League West, while teams in the Heartland of Middle America, the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs resided in the National League East? Well, you can blame the Mets for this one!

Yup. When realignment was being developed for the start of divisional play in 1969, the Mets had a say in how the league was going to be drawn up. Probably based on several St. Louis connections with the ball club (Bing Devine) and the feeling that the two time-defending NL Champs would be a great draw and rivalry it was decided that they�d be in the East with the Expos, Pirates, Phillies and Mets. Of course their long-standing rival, the Cubs had to join with them. So Cards and Cubs in, Braves and a fledgling Big Red Machine headed west to join the California trio and Astros.

Of course the Cards of the 60�s got old, and in a hurry, while still respectable at 87-75 that was good for a 4th place finish in 1969. They�d have a bunch of 80 win teams throughout the decade of the 70�s, but nothing suggesting anything better than a middling team, until Whitey-Ball in the 1980�s, when the Mets gambit of a rivalry with the Cards finally paid off!

The Reds? Only ran of one of the greatest eras in the game�s history. After two straight 4th place finishes in the old NL, they placed 3rd in the NL West in 1969. Under rookie manager Sparky Anderson in 1970, they won the first of 6 NL West flags in 10 seasons, as well as the first of 4 NL crowns. In that stretch, the only year they failed to finish 1st or 2nd was a 5th place finish in 1971.

Suffice to say, if the Mets took the Cardinals over the Reds based on who they thought would make a better short term rival, boy were they ever wrong!

[stevejrogers]

Bump before failing off front page

Note to self, post this day before game, not day before off day

[Guest Edgy DC]

A lot of chin fuzz in the bullpen. These are not your father's Redlegs.

[Centerfield]

Good job finding a Majewski picture with a Reds hat.

[Guest Edgy DC]

In burgundy!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Majewski got a blown save the other night, but the outfielder called up to replace Kearns, Chris Donofia, or whatever, got him off the hook with a GW single.

"New" SS Royce Clayton had 2 RBIs with a pinch double Sunday vas the Reds completed a 4-game sweep of the Rockies including 3 saves from Guardado.

Mets & Reds split 2-2 at Shea last month. Arroyo shut us down; Traschel beat Elizardo Rodriguez; Wright had 2 HRs to beat Milton and support Pedro, and Wagner choked big-time.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

If the standings as they are today hold up, the Reds will be the Mets opponent in the NLDS.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Tom Seaver's never been short in crediting the catchers he's worked with ---- Jerry Grote, Johnny Bench, and Carlton Fisk. But the guy who caught his no-hitter was the less-than-legendary Don Werner.

[MFS62]

Edgy, that's an ideal candidate for the "stuff you didn't know" thread.
Should there be separate ones for baseball stuff and non-baseball stuff?

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I have no memory of Don Werner. I was probably aware of him at the time; back then I was collecting baseball cards and reading every team report every week in The Sporting News. But now the name doesn't sound remotely familiar.

Of course, just because I never heard of him doesn't mean I don't have him in my database: Don Werner.

He played in four games against the Mets.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Three future Mets in the Card's lineup that day, three in the Reds' lineup, including Seaver, and Ray Knight, who apparently came in for Rose for defense.

Cincinnati Reds 4, St. Louis Cardinals 0


Game Played on Friday, June 16, 1978 (N) at Riverfront Stadium

STL N    0  0  0    0  0  0    0  0  0  -   0  0  2
CIN N    0  0  0    0  3  1    0  0  x  -   4  7  1

BATTING

St. Louis Cardinals   AB   R   H RBI      BB  SO      PO   A
Brock lf               4   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
Templeton ss           4   0   0   0       0   0       2   5
Hendrick cf            4   0   0   0       0   1       1   0
Simmons c              3   0   0   0       0   0       5   0
Hernandez 1b           2   0   0   0       1   0      16   0
Morales rf             3   0   0   0       0   1       0   0
Reitz 3b               2   0   0   0       1   0       0   4
Phillips 2b            3   0   0   0       0   0       0   5
Denny p                2   0   0   0       0   1       0   3
  Schultz p            0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Mumphrey ph          0   0   0   0       1   0       0   0
Totals                27   0   0   0       3   3      24  17

FIELDING - 
DP: 2. Denny-Templeton-Hernandez, Phillips-Templeton-Hernandez.
E: Simmons (3), Denny (1).

BASERUNNING - 
SB: Hernandez (4,2nd base off Seaver/Werner).

Cincinnati Reds       AB   R   H RBI      BB  SO      PO   A
Rose 3b                4   1   2   2       0   0       0   1
  Knight 3b            0   0   0   0       0   0       0   2
Griffey rf             4   0   0   0       0   1       1   0
Morgan 2b              2   0   1   1       2   0       2   5
Foster lf              3   0   0   0       1   1       4   0
Driessen 1b            4   1   1   1       0   1      14   0
Concepcion ss          4   0   1   0       0   0       0   4
Geronimo cf            3   1   1   0       1   0       2   0
Werner c               3   1   1   0       0   0       4   0
Seaver p               2   0   0   0       1   2       0   1
Totals                29   4   7   4       5   5      27  13

FIELDING - 
E: Werner (3).

BATTING - 
2B: Rose (18,off Denny); Morgan (15,off Denny).
HR: Driessen (9,6th inning off Denny 0 on 0 out).
Team LOB: 6.

BASERUNNING - 
SB: Morgan (14,2nd base off Denny/Simmons).

PITCHING

St. Louis Cardinals   IP     H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR
Denny L(6-5)           6     6   4   4   5   3   1
Schultz                2     1   0   0   0   2   0
Totals                 8     7   4   4   5   5   1

Cincinnati Reds       IP     H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR
Seaver W(8-4)          9     0   0   0   3   3   0

Denny faced 2 batters in the 7th inning

Umpires: Terry Tata, Paul Pryor, Ed Vargo, Charlie Williams

Time of Game: 2:09   Attendance: 38216

Starting Lineups:

   St. Louis Cardinals           Cincinnati Reds          
1. Brock               lf        Rose                3b
2. Templeton           ss        Griffey             rf
3. Hendrick            cf        Morgan              2b
4. Simmons             c         Foster              lf
5. Hernandez           1b        Driessen            1b
6. Morales             rf        Concepcion          ss
7. Reitz               3b        Geronimo            cf
8. Phillips            2b        Werner              c
9. Denny               p         Seaver              p

CARDINALS 1ST: Brock grounded out (first unassisted); Templeton
grounded out (shortstop to first); Hendrick grounded out (second
to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

REDS 1ST: Rose grounded out (first unassisted); Griffey grounded
out (pitcher to first); Morgan walked; Foster grounded out
(third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

CARDINALS 2ND: Simmons grounded out (shortstop to first);
Hernandez walked; Morales struck out; Hernandez stole second
[Hernandez to third (error by Werner)]; Reitz walked; Phillips
grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 0 H, 1 E, 2 LOB.  Cardinals
0, Reds 0.

REDS 2ND: Driessen grounded out (second to first); Concepcion
grounded out (second to first); Geronimo walked; Geronimo was
picked off first but was safe on an error by Denny [Geronimo to
second]; Werner grounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 1 E, 1
LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

CARDINALS 3RD: Denny struck out; Brock grounded out (second to
first); Templeton made an out to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. 
Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

REDS 3RD: Seaver struck out; Rose grounded out (second to
first); Griffey grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0
E, 0 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

CARDINALS 4TH: Hendrick struck out; Simmons made an out to
center; Hernandez grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E,
0 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

REDS 4TH: Morgan walked; Morgan stole second; Foster walked;
Driessen grounded into a double play (pitcher to shortstop to
first) [Morgan to third, Foster out at second]; Concepcion
grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. 
Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

CARDINALS 5TH: Morales grounded out (third to first); Reitz made
an out to center; Phillips grounded out (first unassisted); 0 R,
0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 0.

REDS 5TH: Geronimo singled to center; Werner singled to left
[Geronimo to second]; On a bunt Seaver struck out; Rose doubled
[Geronimo scored, Werner scored, Rose to third (error by
Simmons)]; Griffey was called out on strikes; Morgan doubled to
right [Rose scored]; Foster grounded out (third to first); 3 R,
4 H, 1 E, 1 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 3.

CARDINALS 6TH: Denny made an out to right; Brock flied to left
in foul territory; Templeton popped to catcher in foul
territory; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 3.

REDS 6TH: Driessen homered; Concepcion grounded out (shortstop
to first); Geronimo grounded out (second to first); Werner
grounded out (third to first); 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Cardinals
0, Reds 4.

CARDINALS 7TH: Hendrick popped to second; Simmons grounded out
(second to first); Hernandez grounded out (pitcher to shortstop
to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 4.

REDS 7TH: Seaver walked; Rose singled to center [seaver to
second]; SCHULTZ REPLACED DENNY (PITCHING); Griffey grounded
into a double play (second to shortstop to first) [seaver to
third, Rose out at second]; Morgan grounded out (shortstop to
first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 4.

CARDINALS 8TH: KNIGHT REPLACED ROSE (PLAYING 3B); Morales
grounded out (third to first); Reitz grounded out (third to
first); Phillips made an out to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. 
Cardinals 0, Reds 4.

REDS 8TH: Foster struck out; Driessen struck out; Concepcion
singled to right; Geronimo made an out to center; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E,
1 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 4.

CARDINALS 9TH: MUMPHREY BATTED FOR SCHULTZ; Mumphrey walked;
Brock made an out to left; Templeton forced Mumphrey (shortstop
to second); Hendrick grounded out (first unassisted); 0 R, 0 H,
0 E, 1 LOB.  Cardinals 0, Reds 4.

Final Totals      R   H   E  LOB
 Cardinals        0   0   2    3
 Reds             4   7   1    6

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