All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

] : Heath Bell's performance on 7/24 is not as good as the box score makes it look. He came in with two inherited runners, and he let both of them score.

Nonsense. For the record, they scored on a weakly hit lucky bloop to shallow center. Bell proceeded to hold the team that had pounded eight runs, 10 hits and 3 walks off Traxy to a 2 singles in 2.1 IP allowing the Mets to make a game of it. He gets as much beer as he can drink, dammit.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for all three Houston games will end on Wednesday morning. And as some of you have noticed, "Wednesday morning" might mean as early as 6 a.m. on Wednesday morning. It's whenever I get around to it, which may be rather early. So if you reading this on Tuesday evening, don't assume that the voting will still be open when you first sign in on Wednesday.

Voting for Monday's game against the Cubs will close on Thursday morning.

I'll post year-to-date totals in this thread after the entire Chicago series is closed out, probably on Saturday.

Assuming that the Mets don't have to make up a rainout or anything, and July 31 remains an off day, I'll have July voting wrapped up by Wednesday morning, August 2, and we'll learn who the Player and Pitcher of the Month is.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

You are correct Yancy - there are no make-ups on the schedule. July 31st is an off day.

[Gwreck]

Uh, people giving Glavine Schaefer points for 7/25, did you all make typos?

All sarcasm aside, Tom Glavine gave up 8 runs in 6 innings, seriously hurting any chance to win. In the field, he made a bad throwing error. At the plate, instead of getting the bunt down, it was a double play.

I'd award negative points if I could.

[nymr83]

yes. even 5 earned doesnt normally get points, 8 runs whether earned or not is a big fat 0

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I threw him a half point just for making it into the 7th inning.

Reminder to voters of the July 22 game: It's OHernandez. There's no player on the Mets named "Duque."

[MFS62]

Poor Alamo. He would have received a full 6 points if the Mets had been able to win it in regulation time. But some points had to go to the relievers and the folks who produced the winning run.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Alamo? Ah, I see, "Remember the..."

I would have given him the 6 if Maine had gone 9 innings. He did get squeezed by the three relievers that the Mets had to use.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting on the Tuesday game against the Cubs will close on Friday morning. We're still low on votes, so please consider voting if you haven't yet.

The Player of the Month race for July is pretty tight, with Beltran, Floyd, Valentin, Wright, and Nady all within three points of the top.

Two Cubs games are still waiting to be tallied, and three games against the Braves have yet to be played. Whoever stands out will win this coveted honor.

[Elster88]

Just can't give Lo Duca the points I normally would for a 4-4, 2 runs scored game with the performance by Beltran and Hernandez.

[Guest GYC]

Beltran has July locked for me barring a great performance by Valentin.

Top 10:
Beltran 19.580
Valentin 16.130
O. Hernandez 14.500
Maine 14.000
Wright 13.360
Floyd 13.260
Nady 12.060
Reyes 10.930
Trachsel 10.120
Delgado 10.060

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

From the July 29 game:

SI Metman wrote: Duque 4.5 Tranny 3 Chavez 1.5 Duca 1

Please edit this vote. I thought I had sufficiently hammered home the point that we should use real names (except for OHernandez for Orlando Hernandez) but I guess I was wrong.

If the vote isn't edited it'll be discarded.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Schaefer voting for all of the games in Atlanta will close on Wednesday morning. I'll sticky them late Monday or early Tuesday.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Elster - how come you reposted the box score for the 7/30 game?

Mine wasn't good enough for ya?

[Elster88]

Just wanted to include one with the extended box score...strikeouts, walks and LOB and all that. Would've gone to ESPN.com because they have the "How they were scored section", but yours already included that.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

OK - but you'll have to deal with the potential wrath of Yancy for adding things other than votes to the thread.

[Elster88]

Haha yeah I know.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm more wrathful over that nickname-laden vote in the July 29 thread.

[Elster88]

I thought you were the orange one, not the green one.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Depends on how angry I am.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

From the final tally of the July 29 voting thread:

]As promised, SI Metman's vote was discarded because he didn't edit. And please, everybody, try to remember to vote for Orlando Hernandez as OHernandez, especially now that Roberto's back. (And he, of course, will be RHernandez.) I'm not going to be chasing people down to edit their votes; if I'm not sure who you're voting for I'll have to discard your entire ballot.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Year-to-date totals through the end of July. His recent surge has put Carlos Beltran ahead of David Wright. Wright had had a fairly safe lead, but now it's a battle the rest of the way. They're both comfortably (at least for now) ahead of the next tier of players, Jose Reyes and Carlos Delgado.

The Pitcher of the Year standings may yet generate some suspense. Pedro is still well behind Glavine, but if Pedro puts up a couple of 5's, and Glavine continues to struggle, the race will tighten.

Season-to-date totals for 2006
Through game of July 30, 2006

Rank	Name	Points
1	Carlos Beltran	85.97
2	David Wright	84.27
3	Carlos Delgado	69.51
4	Jos� Reyes	68.02
5	Tom Glavine	57.03
6	Pedro Martinez	48.20
7	Xavier Nady	40.15
8	Jos� Valentin	39.68
9	Paul Lo Duca	38.43
10	Steve Trachsel	35.05
11	Cliff Floyd	32.36
12	Orlando Hernandez	29.00
13	Duaner Sanchez	27.65
14	Billy Wagner	27.05
15	Darren Oliver	24.38
16	Endy Chavez	23.89
17	Aaron Heilman	20.77
18	Alay Soler	17.56
19	Chad Bradford	15.65
20	John Maine	14.91
21	Pedro Feliciano	14.86
22	Brian Bannister	12.69
23	Chris Woodward	10.55
24	Lastings Milledge	10.52
25	Ramon Castro	10.24
26	Julio Franco	8.71
27	Kaz Matsui	7.97
28	Heath Bell	7.51
29	Jorge Julio	5.37
30	Victor Zambrano	4.66
31	Mike Pelfrey	4.15
32	Jeremi Gonzalez	3.25
33	Eli Marrero	2.41
34	Henry Owens	0.89
35	Anderson Hernandez	0.57
36	Victor Diaz	0.32
37	Bartolome Fortunato	0.28
38	Jos� Lima	0.12

[Elster88]

You know, taking a first glance, that's pretty darn close to how I would rank the players so far this year. Schaefer knows its shit.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Not that I've been voting, but Sanchez and Wagner deserve to be sitting around 7-10, don't you think? Certainly not behind El Duque.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

It probably wouldn't be unfair to have them slotted between Lo Duca and Trachsel.

[Gwreck]

I'd have to spend a lot longer doing the analysis, but I think voters generally undervalue relievers, especially when there are several offensive stars in a game.

Also contributing: they generally only get 1 point maximum in any game. Wagner pitched a 5-out save recently and got 1.05 points for it. That's probably the high in any game for either of them this year.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

It's hard to imagine a Wagner or a Sanchez ever getting a 3, but a starting pitcher or position player can do it on any given day.

[nymr83]

mine are pretty darn close to the overall rankings, you have to go down to chavez (14-16) to find a guy who is 2 spots off and to milledge (21-24) to find a guy who is 3 spots off.
if i was picking the Mets MVP today it would be Beltran despite the lead Wright has on my list. If i were re-ordering the list by what i "feel" instead of the numbers i'd have to drop Nady and Oliver a few spots each and probably raise Bradford some more as well as flip-flopping 1 and 2.

my top 25 through the end of july (their place on the main list is in parenthesis)
1. Wright (2)
2. Beltran (1)
3. Delgado (3)
4. Reyes (4)
5. Glavine (5)
6. Martinez (6)
7. Nady (7)
8. Valentin (8)
9. LoDuca (9)
10. Floyd (11)
11. Trachsel (10)
12. O.Hernandez (12)
13. Sanchez (13)
14. Chavez (16)
15. Oliver (15)
16. Wagner (14)
17. Soler (18)
18. Heilman (17)
19. Bradford (19)
20. Maine (20)
21. Milledge (24)
22. Bannister (22)
23. Feliciano (21)
24. Woodward (23)
25. Franco (26)

on edit- 34 players have gotten at least some fraction of a point from me this season, the 4 who are on the main list but got nothing from me are the bottom 4 on the main list, all of whom were i believe given unearned pity points originally

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for Tuesday night's loss against the Marlins (the thread has been stickied) will close on Friday morning.

Wednesday's win will be stickied tomorrow and the voting will close at my first opportunity over the weekend.

[metsmarathon]

i am starting to think that my tabulation undervalues the contribution to wins that our releivers have, and i've got to go in and change that for next year.

overall, i've got some big differenes in my player vote totals compared to the group.

my higher ranking of tom glavine stands out the most, perhaps.

through july, beltran has a huge lead, and glavine is right on the heels of david wright. the rest, well, you can see below.

rank points
1 102 Beltran
2 85 Wright
3 80 Glavine
4 74 Reyes
5 69 Delgado
6 68 Martinez
7 51 Valentin
8 47 Trachsel
9 38 Oliver
10 35 Ohernandez
11 34 Nady
12 31 Floyd
13 25 LoDuca
13 25 Chavez
15 23 Soler
16 22 Sanchez
16 22 Wagner
18 21 Bannister
19 18 Maine
20 16 Heilman
21 15 Feliciano
22 14 Woodward
23 13 Castro
24 10 Bradford
25 8 Julio
25 8 Bell
25 8 Milledge
28 6 Zambrano
29 5 Franco
29 5 Matsui
31 4 Gonzalez
31 4 Pelfrey
33 2 Marrero
34 1 Owens

is oliver too high? maybe. but i'm not sure. he's one of the most important relievers in the pen, and he's one of the best relievers in the league this year.

he's got the lowest ERA in our pen, and has the second most innings. he's got 4 wins, and has rescued many a game. only one other reliever in the NL with 20 innings or more pitched has a lower ERA, and that's rheal cormier, whose 34 innings were accumulated in 43 games. is pitching the 9th or 8th more important? maybe, and its true that i've got to relook my scoring for the ends of games, but i don't see that having the effect of minimizing olivers score by much at all.