KTE - San Diego Padres.

[metirish]

The Padres come to NY for the first and only time this season,at 50 - 43 they lead the terrible NL West by 5.5 games ahead of the D-Backs.The Mets are 46 - 46 , but you already knew that,Joe Gergen from Newsday say's that's the 23rd time this season the Mets have reached .500...we have a thread about it..

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=467

Probable Pitchers courtesy of MLB.com

Brian Lawrence, RHP (5-9, 4.27)



Scouting Report:
An uncharacteristic bout of wildness cost Lawrence in his most recent start, a loss to the Diamondbacks. He hit three batters in the first two innings, giving up four runs in five innings in his first substandard start in five weeks. He leads the team in innings (122 1/3), and figures to exceed 200 for the fourth straight season. He's 2-0 at Shea Stadium, giving up one run in 16 innings, and he's 3-1 with a 2.57 ERA overall against the Mets.

Kris Benson, RHP (6-3, 3.57)
Despite an 0-1 record in three July starts, Benson has pitched well this month, logging a 3.15 ERA. His last time out, the veteran right-hander logged seven solid innings against the Braves in the Mets' second-half opener. He struck out seven while walking none, but he didn't factor in the decision of what was an eventual 6-3 Mets win.

Wednesday, July 20
Woody Williams, RHP (5-5, 4.15)

The Padres have won Williams' past five starts, and he has given up only 12 earned runs in 37 1/3 innings, but he can't be in a great mood after his last start. Taking a 5-0 lead into the sixth inning against the Diamondbacks, Williams gave up a homer and a two-out single and walk, losing the decision when Arizona tied the game. The crafty veteran is 2-1 with a 6.67 ERA in Shea Stadium, and he's 4-1 overall against the Mets with a 4.91 ERA.

Tom Glavine, LHP (6-7, 4.71)

Glavine has won his last two decisions and has a chance to even his record for the first time since he began the season at 0-0. In Glavine's last start -- July 15 against the Braves -- he earned a no-decision in a pitchers' duel won by former teammate John Smoltz.

Thursday, July 21 12:10 start.
Jake Peavy, RHP (8-3, 3.03)

Showing why he's the ace of the staff and one of the game's premier young pitchers, Peavy came up big in his most recent start, shutting down the Diamondbacks with grit as much as with his overpowering stuff. The 24-year-old right-hander is among the NL's top 10 in ERA, winning percentage (.727), road ERA (2.81), strikeouts (132) and opponents batting average against (.220). He's 2-0 with a 3.15 ERA at Shea Stadium and 3-1 with a 2.18 ERA overall against the Mets in five appearances. Peavy is determined to equal or improve his 10-3 record after the break last season.

Victor Zambrano, RHP (4-8, 3.51)
Zambrano has been stellar during his last eight starts, allowing more than two runs only twice during that stretch and lowering his ERA from 4.74 to 3.51. However, he has received spotty run support and went 2-3 in those eight games.


Players that played for the Mets and Padres

Pedro Astacio
Tucker Ashford
Robbir Alomar
Kevin McReynolds
Garry Templeton
Butch Metzger
please submit any others.

Some Team History

The Padres like the Mets have never had a no-hit or perfect game.
They have won the NL pennent two times, 1984 and 1998, the NL West three times,84,96 and 98.

Retired Numbers: (5)

6 Steve Garvey 1B 1983-1987
19 Tony Gwynn OF 1982-2001
31 Dave Winfield OF 1973-1980
35 Randy Jones LHP 1973-1980
42 Jackie Robinson (Retired by MLB)

Rookie of the Year: (2)
1976 Bruce Metzger RHP (co-winner)
1987 Benito Santiago C

Cy Young: (3)
1976 Randy Jones LHP
1978 Gaylord Perry RHP
1989 Mark Davis LHP*
*-Reliever

MVP: (1)
1996 Ken Caminiti 3B

most of the above info courtesy of.
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nl/sdpadres/padres.html

Some fans have started a Bochy for Mayor online campaign, check it out.

http://www.bochyformayor.com/

[Guest sharpie]

You say there are 5 retired numbers but list only 4. What the f retiring Steve Garvey for the Padres?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Winfield and Jones are debatable borderline number retirements. Garvey is just silly.

[metirish]

Yeah Garvey is a surprise, he was a Dodger from 69 to 82.

[seawolf17]

I bet no other mayoral candidates have their height and weight listed on their campaign posters.

I like the upside-down poster all the way at the left of the photo:

johaw
jof
hycoq

[Guest Edgy DC]

Delightfully odd little cartoons there.

[Willets Point]

They ripped off the idea from the edited GI Joe PSA's by Fensler Films. I posted a link for it on the Funny Links page a couple of years ago.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

6-4
210 lb.

That's great.

[metirish]

I'm surprised they don't have his hat size listed, he has a huge noggin, Bochy is cool though, and him and Bobby Valentine are best friends, IIRC Bobby took Bochy to the All-Star game as a coach in 2001.

Trivia question,what other coaches did Bobby invite to that game?

[Theoldmole]

Randy Jones was a Met

[Guest Edgy DC]

Lasorda, of course.

[seawolf17]

Anyone else up for blowing off work and going to the game on Thursday at noon?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Man, that's tempting. I don't know whether it's logistically feasible, but it's tempting.

[smg58]

It's not logistically feasible for me, but I'll be there in spirit. And have the radio on in the office.

[Theoldmole]

Love to. But I'm committed for Thursday.

[soupcan]

I've got tentative plans to go on Wednesday night.

Garvey, Winfield retired by the Pods?

Ridonculous.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I guess Winfield makes more sense than Garvey, but I don't think his number should have been retired either.

The only number San Diego should retire is Tony Gwynn's.

[Guest Edgy DC]

But Winfield is arguable. Seven-plus seasons. Four all-star appearances in that fugly uniform. Two gold gloves. Two top-ten MVP seasons. He had 1,134 hits and 154 homers in the relatively low-offense seventies in a pitchers' park.

I still wouldn't retire such a number unless presented with additional evidence of an enduring relationship with the franchise or the city, but it's arguable.

I just wouldn't dismiss it as laughable as Garvey.

I have a mental block about Garvey. Most of those other all-American late-seventies Dodger types don't bother me so much. He appeared in way too many of my Boy's Life issues for me. Take the worst you can say about Seaver and worst you can say about Carter (both of whom I still retain genuine affection for) and multiply them and double that over again. That's where I put Garvey's phony rating. It's just off the chart and maybe I should talk to somebody about it.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

My guess is that Garvey's number is retired because the Padres were eager to honor somebody from that 1984 Championship team, and they didn't want to wait for Tony Gwynn to stop playing.

The Mets (and their fans) are fortunate that the franchise's first championship was a legendary one, and that they won the whole ball of wax. Imagine being the Texas Rangers, who in their best years get swept by the Yankees in the ALDS.

[metirish]

Well I suppose it helps that Winfield went to the HOF as a Padre in 2001...from the Padre website...

]He was elected to the Padres Hall of Fame in 2000, and his No. 31 jersey was retired by the club in 2001

Didn't the Padre's pay Winfield to come back to the organization?

[Elster88]

I remember that, vaguely. I think they paid him to select their hat for his plaque in the HOF, which led to baseball deciding to not leave the choice up to the player anymore.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Hall would tell you that it was never up to the player.

[Frayed Knot]

Winfield - like Boggs after him - always denied that there was any financial attempt to get them to "choose" a particular HoF team, something that's virtually impossible to prove or disprove.
FWIF, the HoF claims that it's always been their decision to select what's on the plaque, not the players', although obviously it's not something they were adamant about enforcing (see: Jackson, Reggie).

In Winnie's case, his SD service time & ABs represented less than half of his totals although they were above that of the nearest other team - the NYY - so it made sense to put him in* as a Padre.

Retired numbers, of course, are a totally different topic since there are no objective standards, just a desire by a team to establish some kind of history. And when SD chose to create a kind of insta-history by retiring Garvey I'm sure they're totally embarrassed by that decision. At least they should be and I hope it serves as a cautionary tale for other teams.




* at this point I'm going to make my semi-annual comment that this is really a silly topic. This whole notion that a player having a particular ensignia on his hat means that he's somehow in as a member of that team to the exclusion of any and all others is ridiculous.

[metirish]

From the Daily News..

]By ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Kaz Ishii will remain in the rotation but won't face his former club. Ishii, obtained from Los Angeles for Jason Phillips during spring training, will start tomorrow's matinee against the Padres, giving Victor Zambrano and Pedro Martinez each an extra day of rest before their weekend starts against the Dodgers. Ishii is 3-2 with a 3.76 ERA in seven career starts against the Padres, while Zambrano has a career 5.14 ERA against San Diego and has never faced L.A. Still, Willie Randolph dismissed those stats as a reason for the rotation configuration. The manager added that Jae Seo didn't pitch himself out of a chance for a start in place of the struggling Ishii (2-8, 5.57 ERA) by allowing 13 runs against Triple-A Syracuse on Saturday.

[seawolf17]

Ah, dammit. I was really hoping for Zambrano.

90-plus degrees
+
probably resting starters
+
Kaz Ishii
=
gonna be a long one tomorrow. We should get seats in the shade.

I hope they win tonight, so we don't have to "salvage the series" with Ishii.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Who's going?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Pedro needs an extra day of rest? What did he throw? Sixty-something pitches?