NY Mets to get new stadium says Bloomberg

[metirish]

Oh no, Mayor Mike now turns to Queens to save Olympic bid,it's not in this article but if the City got the 2012 games then the Mets would give way to the games and share Yankee fucking Stadium for the duration...Stadium to be ready for 09 season, regardles of the Games the Mets are getting this says Bloomie..

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/nyc-olym0613,0,6722380.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

[Guest KC]

Never gonna happen

[metirish]

This sounds like something only Bloomberg and his crew could dream up, from another article in the Times...

]Bloomberg said the Mets will build the stadium, which will be privately funded, for the 2009 season. The city and state will provide $160 million in infrastructure and $100 million to convert the stadium from 45,000 seats to 80,000 seats if the city is awarded the Olympics. The mayor also said the Mets could play home games at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx during the Olympics.

Seems to me this has everything to do with Bloombergs legacy and the Mets are secondary in all of this.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

1. 2009 seems awfully soon. No way a new ballpark is ready by then.

2. Why are we censoring the name of the team from the Bronx? It makes for awkward phrasing like in my previous sentence.

[Guest KC]

Well, if it's really going to be privately funded ... I may retract the never
going to happen. $160 mil for infrastructure means what? The whole log-
istics of entering and leaving Shea by car sucks. $160 mil is probably a
very low low number to get things even in motion. Too many mouths to
feed on a project like this.

Bloomberg and his crew? Maybe we can get Rev Al on the job ....

[metirish]

Yancy I wondered the same thing..damn Yankees.
And the idea that a new Mets stadium could be tranformed form a 45,000 seater into an 80,000 seater makes this project all too complicated.

[Guest KC]

>>>Why are we censoring the name of the team from the Bronx? It makes for awkward phrasing like in my previous sentence.<<<

Uh, I don't have the energy.

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[Guest holychicken]

How much would the enjoyment of baseball games by the fans be compromised by building it with the intent to have Olympic games held there as well?

The field level seats at shea are messed up, IMHO, because it was also intended to be a football stadium. I don't want that to happen again just for the Olympics.

[seawolf17]

I have only three words on this whole thing:

Bob. Murphy. Stadium.

Anything less is a travesty.

Am I the only one who will actually be sad to see Shea go? I love that park.

[Elster88]

I have no problem with Shea being knocked down.

[soupcan]

Here's the layout...

[Guest sharpie]

Where do people park when they're building the new stadium but using Shea?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I posted a nice, lengthy argument on ezBoard for keeping Shea Stadium.

I may go look for it, but I'm guessing it's probably been killed by the hacker.

[Guest cooby]

Everybody on the picture looks tres dramatic

[metirish]

Lupica has his say.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/318591p-272446c.html

[soupcan]

The only objection I have to tearing down Shea is a selfish one.

My brother-in-law and his family have been season ticket holders at Shea since 1964. As a result of this his seats are Amazin'.

He sells me roughly half of his stash every year - I get to see as many games as I want from arguably the best seats in the house.

Should a new stdium go up, odds are that his seats won't be nearly as good and the price of those not-nearly-as-good seats will increase dramatically.

Boo! No new stadium!

[Guest sharpie]

Tear it down! Soupcan's brother-in-law is hogging all the good seats.

[soupcan]

Hogging or no (it's only 1 box) those seats are always occupied by Mets fans and not corporate VIPs.

In our extended, immediate family which consists of 8 adults and 9 kids there is not one - read: ZERO Yankee fans. All of us are dyed in the wool or in-training Metsians.

[Willets Point]

Looks like in the new plan, I'd be getting the spa treatment. I could really use that.

[Frayed Knot]

Freddie & Jeffy haven't released any of the current details yet
*** (SHOW US THE STADIUM PLANS NOW!!!!) ***
but I would think that constructing a building that is intended for
45,000 but is able to be expanded in order to seat 80K pretty much
shoots down the whole sliding roof thingie, no? ... at least for the
time that this Olympic conversion thing is still a possiblity.

They had apparently decided a few years back to do away with the
sliding field idea that was in the orig plans.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I wonder whether us fans can get together with a list of demands for the Stadium, or at least get keyed in on the planning process somehow.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I hope they ditch the Ebbets Field idea.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

I hope so.

Here's my demands.

1. No retractable roof - it's just two hundred million more in debt for the Mets. A new stadium just doesn't need it. It doesn't rain enough at Shea and it doesn't really snow into May. This isn't Seattle or Minneapolis.

2. A stadium independent in design. I don't want a Camden Yards wannabe and neither do I want a stadium that just apes Ebbets Field - hey Fred, you want the Brooklyn Dodgers so bad, move the team to Brooklyn. I want to see a stadium that looks like New York and specifically Queens. I would argue for a symmetrical field. Ebbets Field had a funny shape because it was crammed into a city block. Space is not a problem for a new Mets stadium.

3. A large stadium with substantial bleachers. 50,000 seats and 5-8,000 bleacher seats. Met fans haven't had real bleachers since the freakin' Polo Grounds, and a New York team should have one of the largest stadiums in their league.

4. A name that demphasizes a corporation and honors a Met. The Mets are probably going to sell their stadium name anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it was Citibank Field at Seaver Stadium or something.

5. A cool roof.

6. A good Mets team in it.

[Guest Rotblatt]

I agree about the retracrable roof and the name.

As for Ebbett's Field, I'm actually kind of intrigued by that idea. I like the historic NY stadium concept . . . Although the idea of a really interesting designer taking on our stadium design would be pretty cool. I definitely don't want a cookie-cutter type or anything too "now" that will be dated in 15 years.

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I'd rather just have an element from Ebbett's Field involved in the design--even just the cornerstone or something, with a little plaque.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Interesting about the symmetrical field idea. I think it's unlikely to happen, though. The stadia of Shea's era are referred to with hostility as "Cookie Cutter" stadia, and a disrespect for symmetry has been the easy cheap way in the newer retro-stadia to say "This is not a cookie-cutter field. This is quirky."

It'd be too risky for the architect of the replacement of possibly the last cookie-cutter stadium to put up a symmetrical outfield and have the park labled "neo-cookie cutter." It'll be in the RFP that he or she would have to evade that tag.

I'm on record as (1) supporting the salvation of Shea, and (2) thinking that a nice feature in either a refurbished or new Shea would be future modern design elements that recall the World's Fair era in which the Mets and Shea were born.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I also wouldn't mind having something that looks dated in 15 years. The stadium should reflect the time in which it was built. Maybe it'll be dated in 2024, but a cherished architectural treasure by 2050.

I want something modern. Enough with the retro; it's been done to death. Let's put the Mets in the first 21st-Century ballpark.

Get a cutting edge architect. I hope that it's so different that half the people call it an eyesore. (Even if I'm among that half!)

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Meathead previously suggested Calatrava, but I'm sure Fred won't go for it.

BTW, I'm still certain the '12 games are doomed for NYC anyhow. Way back when talk was first starting a guy inside told me the realistic expectation was 2020, they just put '12' on it so as to create some buzz. So we're looking at a 2016 residence at MFY Stadium at worst.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Meathead previously suggested Calatrava, but I'm sure Fred won't go for it. BTW, I'm still certain the '12 games are doomed for NYC anyhow. Way back when talk was first starting a guy inside told me the realistic expectation was 2020, they just put '12' on it so as to create some buzz. So we're looking at a 2016 residence at MFY Stadium at worst.

Yeah, Paris is probably getting the bid even if the West Side stadium went through. I think after Athens the IOC is pretty wary of cities who are promising a lot of stuff they haven't built yet, even if NYC would probably do it much quicker than Athens.

Paris has had their Olympic Stadium standing since 1998. They have 80% of their facilities built. The only things that aren't built yet are specialist facilities that will be used once.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

Rotblatt wrote: I agree about the retracrable roof and the name. As for Ebbett's Field, I'm actually kind of intrigued by that idea. I like the historic NY stadium concept . . . Although the idea of a really interesting designer taking on our stadium design would be pretty cool. I definitely don't want a cookie-cutter type or anything too "now" that will be dated in 15 years. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I'd rather just have an element from Ebbett's Field involved in the design--even just the cornerstone or something, with a little plaque.

The Mets aren't a Brooklyn team, though. Leave a potential Brooklyn team (because NYC can still easily support three teams) to build an Ebbets Field clone.

Let the Mets build something that looks towards the future and not the past, because the Mets don't really have much of a past compared to other teams. There's still plenty of people around before the Mets were born.

Besides, I think this team kinda inherits the legacy of the Giants more than the Brooks, but that's just me..

[Guest SI Metman]

NYC will be in the same situation as Paris. Paris submitted for the 2008 games and was a finalist, but lost since 2006 will also be in Europe (as was 2004). NYC will lose since 2010 is in North America.

I bet it'll definately be 2012 Paris and 2016 NYC.