Ya Gotta' Believe - This

[MFS62]

As seen on SNY:

The Mets are now 0-53 when trailing after 8 innings this season.

Something's missing.

And it isn't only hits.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm not so sure they have an impressive record when they lead after eight innings.

[kcmets]

I wonder what the records are [CROSSOUT]after[/CROSSOUT] trailing after 5, after 6

and after 7 innings...

[Centerfield]

For reference, in 2024, they had 8 wins where they came back in the 9th inning, which led MLB.

In 2025, the Mets are one of 3 teams with no 9th inning comeback wins (Baltimore and CWS are the others). The Dodgers have 4, Milwaukee has 4, Philadelphia has 3, SDP and Cubs have 2 each. The Reds have 3. The NL leader is, of course, the Colorado Rockies. Just like everyone expected. They have 6.

[Edgy MD]

I imagine the outcomes under such a narrow set of circumstances would look pretty random, thought not meaningless. The distinction between a team that is playing .050 ball in such circumstances and a team that is playing .020 ball (or .000 ball, for the Mets) may or may not be a difference maker.

The Rockies as leader, on one hand, make no sense, as they are having a terrible season, but on the other hand, kind of do make some sense, as they play in a stadium where runs are plenty.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not so sure they have an impressive record when they lead after eight innings.

 

The 2025 Mets are 61–2 (.968) when leading after eight innings.

The two losses were:

• April 25 against Washington, when the Mets rallied down from three nothing with four runs in the eighth. Ryne Stanek was sent out to protect the one-run lead, and gave up a triple and a single to tie the game. After a groundout, AJ Minter was brought in and yielded a game-winninghit to James Wood.
• June 3 against the Dodgers in LA, as Huascar Brazobán came in with a one-run lead gave up a game-tying homer to the first batter (Max Muncy) on a 1-2 pitch. José Butto came in for the 10th and Freddy Freeman drove in the magic runner with a one-out double.

 

The Mets have blown some leads of late, but they have tended to be in the middle innings.

[Gwreck]

In 2025, the Mets are one of 3 teams with no 9th inning comeback wins

 

The closest they’ve come was the May 23 game against LA, scoring 3 in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game and force extras (losing in the 13th).

[MFS62]

I guess we were spoiled by the 1986 rally hat/ "screw 'em, we're gonna' win this" competitive spirit.

Tough to capture that kind of lightning in a bottle again.

Later

[Edgy MD]

I am very much not spoiled.

[MFS62]

I am very much not spoiled.

I am. I don't see that kind of spirit with this team.

Later

[Edgy MD]

You have been expecting the performance of 1986 to repeat itself every year for 40 years?

[MFS62]

You have been expecting the performance of 1986 to repeat itself every year for 40 years?

 

No, it would be nice, but I would like to see some late game winning rallies for a change.

You wouldn't?

Later

[ashie62]

Likely just trying to channel some 1986 mojo in a lightheaded way

2024 mojo has an excellent bouquet

[MFS62]

Likely just trying to channel some 1986 mojo in a lightheaded way

 

Thank you.

Later

[Edgy MD]

You have been expecting the performance of 1986 to repeat itself every year for 40 years?

 

No, it would be nice, but I would like to see some late game winning rallies for a change.

You wouldn't?

Later

 

Of course not. Please don't ask me stupid questions. I just don't agree that I am spoiled because of something that happened 40 years ago.

And they have had some late game winning rallies. They haven't won after trailing after eight. But they have won after being tied through eight. They have won after being down in the eighth, rallying then, and taking a lead. They have won after rallying to tie in the eighth, and then taking the lead or walking off in the ninth or later.

And then there is the seventh. And the sixth. A late rally is not exclusively a rally that occurs after trailing after eight.

And if we do not get what we want, then we don't. The idea that anybody has been "spoiled" and somehow maintained unreasonable expectations hasn't haven't gotten more realistic about despite four decades of reality may apply to somebody, but not myself or anybody I have met.

And it is disingenuous to suggest this is about what "I would like to see." Who wouldn't? That is very different from being spoiled.

[MFS62]

People ask questions because they want to find out the answer.

I've never called anyone here, or anything they have written, stupid.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Of course you have. You have THREE (now FOUR) sig lines at a time and frequently include one or two (two at the current time) which derides fellow posters as unintelligent.

Why? I don't know.

Pretending that "I would like to see some late game winning rallies for a change. You wouldn't?" is a serious question is just not honest. Of course it isn't.

[MFS62]

They are not directed at anyone here. I post them as a commentary about the people who would vote for Trump and change them based on the news of the day or things I find that I think are clever. (The slide head first one was an exception, but I thought it was funny after reading that thread)

If you took them any other way, that's not what I intend.

Later

[Edgy MD]

If you are going to claim "Great minds think alike. You're not one of us." is somehow not directed at people reading your posts, but at people who will never read your posts, I do not know what to say.

If you are going to claim "I would like to see some late game winning rallies for a change. You wouldn't?" is an honest question that I should take seriously, but somehow not read any contempt into it, I do not know what to say.

I will just open my parachute and drop out of this thread.

[Centerfield]

In 2025, the Mets are one of 3 teams with no 9th inning comeback wins

 

The closest they’ve come was the May 23 game against LA, scoring 3 in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game and force extras (losing in the 13th).

 

Yup. That was an incredibly frustrating game. Torrens needed to put the ball in play to win it. There was one more game. I think it was the Sunday game in KC? Where McNeil tied it in the ninth. Then they lost in the bottom of that frame.

[Gwreck]

There was one more game. I think it was the Sunday game in KC? Where McNeil tied it in the ninth. Then they lost in the bottom of that frame.

 

I forgot about that. It was the last game before the All Star Break. McNeil hit a RBI triple that I think just barely missed being a homer. Jared Young (!) actually tied it by bringing McNeil home on a sac fly….but then Manaea gave up the winning run in the 9th.

[Frayed Knot]

In 2025, the Mets are one of 3 teams with no 9th inning comeback wins

 

The closest they’ve come was the May 23 game against LA, scoring 3 in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game and force extras (losing in the 13th).

 

That was the game that sent me running to BB-Ref to see if any team in the (brief but already too long) clown car rules era had ever failed to score even a single in each of the 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th innings despite the gift runner on 2nd. The answer was, yes (six - eight times IIRC), but not many.