2022 Free Agents

[bmfc1]

If you want to the Mets future, and that's better than looking at the Mets present, here are the Free Agents for 2022. I think that Steve will be pissed and want to spend but other than Scherzer, who will likely want to stay in LA, I don't see much for him to buy, especially in the OF:

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/

[Benjamin Grimm]

There's a club option on Bauer? Meaning that the Dodgers can be free of him after this season?

[Ceetar]

Cohen won't open the purse strings, why bother?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Cohen won't open the purse strings, why bother?

I'm beginning go wonder if there's some conspiracy theory where the owners were able to neutralize Cohen's enormous financial advantage as a condition to him being let into "the club". Its whiffing on Realmuto and Springer and Bauer and then the amateur draft fiasco.

[Ceetar]

same story with every other rich billionaire that shouldn't exist.



the return on investment (and that's all this is to him, a different incarnation of the stock market gambling game) starts to not be worth it at those numbers. Mets were 65% or whatever to make the playoffs at the deadline, so spending to make it 75 or 85% just doesn't provide the value. Trading the Rocker pick for future value is a good investment move, the year delay and current needs of the franchise be damned.



We're a rich asshole's plaything, and there's not much we can do if he's playing with it for his own benefit, not everyone else's.

[kcmets]

=Ceetar post_id=73909 time=1628464351 user_id=102]
same story with every other rich billionaire that shouldn't exist.



the return on investment (and that's all this is to him, a different incarnation of the stock market gambling game) starts to not be worth it at those numbers. Mets were 65% or whatever to make the playoffs at the deadline, so spending to make it 75 or 85% just doesn't provide the value. Trading the Rocker pick for future value is a good investment move, the year delay and current needs of the franchise be damned.



We're a rich asshole's plaything, and there's not much we can do if he's playing with it for his own benefit, not everyone else's.

[Frayed Knot]

Lionel Messi inked a two year deal with PSG today so he's off the market. Prior to that I was just figuring that as long as we're going to score at the rate of a soccer club he might have been a good fit.

[Ceetar]

=kcmets post_id=73912 time=1628466424 user_id=53]




So, now Cohen's not really a Mets fan and only cares about money? Pretty nutty (?) to

be going down that dark bleak rabbit hole so early in the game.

[Lefty Specialist]

Frayed Knot wrote: Lionel Messi inked a two year deal with PSG today so he's off the market. Prior to that I was just figuring that as long as we're going to score at the rate of a soccer club he might have been a good fit.

Well, the Mets don't seem to use their hands either.

[kcmets]

Answering Ceets, my connection here craps out a lot lately...



With all due respect, I can't go down the rabbit hole. If after 3-4 years or so there's

a pattern of behavior maybe I'll revisit it but for now pointing fingers at him and citing

things that have nothing to do with 2022 Free Agents and the poor and the billionaires

and Steingrabber seems a little needlessly soapbox-y to me.

[ashie62]

Yes it does.



Stereotypes.

[Ceetar]

There is a pattern of behavior! Just not as Mets owner. Certainly enough to NOT give him some benefit of the doubt. And early returns aren't great.

[kcmets]

I'm in Camp 3-4 Years to see what longer-term returns are. After twenty years of online

Sell the Team NOW!!! I have no energy to over scrutinize the new owner after one season

and/or ~100 games in..

[Ceetar]

Then don't. I've got the energy for it. They're squandering this season despite obvious things they ignored, and that deserves criticism. They'll probably try for Bauer again.

[kcmets]

Criticize all you want. If you want to cite the poor, billionaires and Steingrabber I do have

the energy to point out that you're off track and just soapboxing other dislikes besides the

squandering of the season and 2022 Free Agents. (see thread title)

[MFS62]

If you want to the Mets future, and that's better than looking at the Mets present, here are the Free Agents for 2022. I think that Steve will be pissed and want to spend but other than Scherzer, who will likely want to stay in LA, I don't see much for him to buy, especially in the OF: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/

There is one name on that list that jumps out at me. It seems that for the past ten years, every time there is a need for the Mets to acquire a player, there have been stories (rumors?, made up stuff?) in the various media that the Mets were interested in Andrew McCutcheon.

I believe the Mets are finally going to get him, just in time for his production to drop faster than a hooker at a bachelor party.



Later

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure what media you're referencing. I'd be surprised to find out that the Mets are leaking offseason free agent targets in August.



As for patterns of behavior, one team wins and 29 lose.



You can look for a distinct pattern of behavior in every case, and wait until they are in a losing streak to connect all the dots, but the reality is that some teams may well do absolutely everything right and still lose.

[Ceetar]

There was a standout, clear cut, better than everyone else by miles free agent, that the Mets had no players at, and they passed.





I can't wait to hear Cohen threaten not to sign someone because he's not worth the bucks for a shortened season if the players are threatening to strike. Because it's all about the value propositions.

[Edgy MD]

You can't wait?



I'm not even certain I understand the first sentence.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think he's talking about how the Mets opted not to try for Realmuto.

[kcmets]

Of course, but there's so much more! He's all over the map up above.

[Ceetar]

if by 'map' you mean 'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership' then sure. all over it.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

=Ceetar post_id=73974 time=1628549600 user_id=102]
if by 'map' you mean 'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership' then sure. all over it.

[Ceetar]

lol, 'bold trade' they had crap at SS and traded for maybe the best, because the Guardians were selling. Kudos for that but it's not bold. It was being called for before he even bought the team.



Now, a REAL CFer? A good catcher? whiffed. hard.



And then there's the Rocker thing and the trade deadline, both failures.



And that's without mentioning Hiring Sandy, who hand-waved sexual assault, and then hiring one of trump's lawyers as a fixer to make it go away, which as far as I know was just 'can these two fools when the season is over', not sure if there's any more coming. I personally am not surprised with all that going on that they weren't 100% prepared for any of those steps along the way, but most of that's of their own making.



And that's just Mets related Free Agents/trades. We know much more about Cohen and what he's about. But in terms of the scope of the Mets, he gets no benefit of the doubt that he's going to be noticeably better than any other owner.

[kcmets]

=Ceetar post_id=73974 time=1628549600 user_id=102]'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership'

[batmagadanleadoff]

'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership' First I'm hearing of his despicable-ness.

One could easily make a case for Cohen's "badness", just based on what he did before he purchased the Mets. Easily.



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This reads like one of those guys ... ranting away and not making sense.

Like the guy that calls for Cuomo to resign a zillion times but also votes for Trump, the Babe Ruth of sexual abusing politicians and supports Trump blindly and at every turn no matter what? 'Cause that's also a pretty good example of "ranting away and not making sense". Did you ever call for Trump to resign? I await your silence which will no doubt, be deafening.

I don't think its fair to blame the owner. [Cohen's] proven to be a fan, and has been good to fans.

This may be true, but coming from you? You defended the Wilpons as vigorously as you've defended Trump all these years, even going so far as to try and convince us that spending money doesn't matter when it comes to building a winning baseball team. You defended the Wilpons like a snake-oil salesman. You'd probably defend Hitler if he owned the Mets. And vote for Hitler, too if he was the GOP candidate.

[kcmets]

One could easily make a case for Cohen's "badness", just based on what he did before he purchased the Mets. Easily.

I imagine one could do so of all big-time sports owners. I'm not as worldly

as Ceetar and you so I don't know anything specific that separates him from

his rich team-owning cronies. And it still has nothing to do with Realmuto and

that Dodger dude nor 2022 free agency.

[Ceetar]

well not _nothing_. It's not shocking that a guy that's had to hire scummy lawyers twice to "settle" workplace harassment cases ignored the red flags with that pitcher, nor that the guy he hired to run the join who immediately hired back a serial harasser ignore them too. Though I guess technically it was the OTHER guy that was sexually harassing people that was supposed to be making the decisions.



But then it really only came down to like, not offering him another 5 million or something anyway.



This stuff doesn't exactly make me feel good about the decision making process going forward.

[batmagadanleadoff]

One could easily make a case for Cohen's "badness", just based on what he did before he purchased the Mets. Easily. I'm not as worldly as Ceetar and you so I don't know anything specific....

So then shut up, Mr. Pile-on low hanging fruit.

[kcmets]

Not likely.



I don't remember either of you chiming in that the Mets were

bought by Steve Cohen. Now it's a thing. Everything is a thing.