Doubleheader history

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

dinosaur jesus wrote: Gooden and Young had a good chance, but it never happened. As it happens, Roadblock Jones and Al Jackson did start both ends of a doubleheader: April 29, 1962. Jackson shut out the Phillies in the opener, while Jackson pitched into the fifth in the nightcap, giving up six runs in a 10-2 loss. It was his last major league start. On August 17, 1980, Ray Burris and Roy Lee Jackson did it, as the Mets were swept by the Phillies. That may be it. If so, the only three times it's happened have been against the Phillies. We've been swept and split. It's time for a sweep of our own.

This was a great find. Also notable, this week we had to have seen the greatest spread between starting pitcher uni-numbers in Mets DH history 0 & 99.



Anyone know where I can find the Mets all-time record in DHs? I think things are complicated today as split DHs aren't really considered DHs anymore

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Mets have played two games on the same date 503 times.



They won both games 105 times. The lost both games 168 times.



There were 103 instances where they won the first game and lost the second, and 123 where they lost the first and won the second.



There was one timewhere they won the first game and the second ended in a tie, and three times when they lost the first game and the second one was tied.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And here's how it breaks down:

[th]Opponent[/th]	[th]Result[/th]	[th]Count[/th]
	Astros		LL		13
	Astros		LW		8
	Astros		WL		6
	Astros		WW		10
	Braves		LL		14
	Braves		LT		1
	Braves		LW		11
	Braves		WL		6
	Braves		WW		12
	Brewers		LL		2
	Brewers		WW		2
	Cardinals		LL		17
	Cardinals		LW		11
	Cardinals		WL		18
	Cardinals		WW		7
	Cubs		LL		13
	Cubs		LW		16
	Cubs		WL		18
	Cubs		WT		1
	Cubs		WW		11
	Diamondbacks		LL		2
	Diamondbacks		LW		1
	Dodgers		LL		7
	Dodgers		LT		1
	Dodgers		LW		6
	Dodgers		WL		5
	Dodgers		WW		2
	Expos		LL		13
	Expos		LW		12
	Expos		WL		6
	Expos		WW		10
	Giants		LL		17
	Giants		LW		12
	Giants		WL		4
	Giants		WW		3
	Mariners		LL		1
	Marlins		LL		1
	Marlins		LW		3
	Marlins		WW		3
	Nationals		LL		2
	Nationals		WL		4
	Padres		LL		4
	Padres		LW		8
	Padres		WL		2
	Padres		WW		6
	Phillies		LL		27
	Phillies		LT		1
	Phillies		LW		11
	Phillies		WL		16
	Phillies		WW		13
	Pirates		LL		14
	Pirates		LW		15
	Pirates		WL		7
	Pirates		WW		14
	Rangers		LW		1
	Reds		LL		13
	Reds		LW		7
	Reds		WL		9
	Reds		WW		8
	Rockies		LL		4
	Rockies		WL		1
	Rockies		WW		3
	Yankees		LL		4
	Yankees		LW		1
	Yankees		WL		1
	Yankees		WW		1

[Edgy MD]

Dock Ellis and Ray Burris did not share a doubleheader in their month or so they both resided in the Mets rotation.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Has anyone seen or heard stats for the 7-inning doubleheaders? I'm curious if there are any divergences from 100+ years of results. Like does the away team win more? I would guess yes. Are there more sweeps? I would guess no?

[Ceetar]

not sure there's enough sample for that.





There are rules about how many doubleheaders a team can play. There might be an exemption for Covid, but these aren't Covid ones. Wonder if that starts to play in.

[Edgy MD]

dinosaur jesus wrote: On August 17, 1980, Ray Burris and Roy Lee Jackson did it, as the Mets were swept by the Phillies.

I believe this was part of the season-wrecking five-games-in-three-days sweep.



Torre's Mets were as understocked as always, but they were somehow playing in top form for about four weeks and pulled within eight games of first. The Phils were three out, and so theoretically within the Mets reach.



But five games in three games was more than they could answer the bell for. If they were actually competitive in any of them, it sure didn't feel like it. The Phillies ran over them like a steamroller, sending them plummeting back toward the cellar, and the Phils rocketing toward their first world championship.

[batmagadanleadoff]

My strongest memory of that stretch in 1980 when the Mets were playing out of their minds, bedsides the Hendu homer, is a Warner Wolf recap segment where he was going nutso over the Mets. Warner was also out of his mind on that night.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy MD wrote: I believe this was part of the season-wrecking five-games-in-three-days sweep.

Was that when Bo Diaz hit a grand slam? I don't recall the details of that homer, just that it was by Bo Diaz and that it was devastating.



I can't remember the name of the guy on the Giants who hit that three-run homer in the Wild Card game against the Giants in 2016, but I remember Bo Diaz.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Nope, the Bo Diaz grand slam was in 1983. What a terrible ninth inning. Four consecutive walks and then a home run.



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[Edgy MD]

I got it here.



After taking two of three on the road in Pittsburgh, the Mets came home on August 13 to host Philadelphia in a three-game set plus two makeups. It wasn't five games in three days, as I remember, but five in four. The Mets had pulled within 7.5 games of first, and within a single win of a .500 winning percentage. The papers reported that the team had .500. What's more is that the Phils weren't three games out as I remember, but five, so they were far more than theoretically within reach as the series began. They were in striking range, needing to fend off the Mets for the honor of chasing the Bucs and Expos, tied for first.



And then the roof caved in.

• August 14: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198008140.shtmlPhils 8, Mets 1
  
  • Mets manage only five hits, three by ephemeral star outfielder Claudell Washington, who provided the team's only run with a solo homer.
  
  
  • They actually used Butch Benton to pinch-hit. Can you imagine how at the end of your rope you had to be to use Butch Benton as a pinch hitter?
  
  
  • Nino Espinosa — so clearly the weak link in the rotation that the Phils asked him to pretend he was hurt in the post-season, so they could add Marty Bystrom to the roster — went the distance for the Phils.

[*]August 15: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198008150.shtmlPhils 8, Mets 0

• Phils outhit the Mets 16-6.


• Three-inning save for Tug McGraw, who really started hitting his stride.


• Alex Treviño caught Lonnie Smith stealing twice.

[*]August 16: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198008160.shtmlPhils 11, Mets 6

• Craig Swan pounded, giving up seven runs on 10 hit in just 3 1/3 inings.


• Four more hits for Washington, including a double and a triple.

[*]August 17 (1): https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198008171.shtmlPhils 9, Mets 4

• Complete game by Hall-of-Famer Steve Carlton, allowing two earned and two unearned runs while striking out 11.

[*]August 17 (2): https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198008172.shtmlPhils 4, Mets 1

• A whopping six hits to go around, with reserve outfielder Jerry Morales hogging three of them for himself.


• The lone RBI came from Doug Flynn.

The super-sweep would be the beginning of horrid 2-25 stretch for the Mets, while the Phils were sent on their way. Five or six weeks later, the season ended with the Phils on top, one game up on the [CROSSOUT]Pirates[/CROSSOUT] Expos, and the Mets 24 games behind.

[G-Fafif]

Every day that summer I couldn't wait to run out and buy the papers to soak up every morsel of the Magic and was convinced we'd use the Phillies series as a jumping off point.



On Monday August 18, I bought nothing and read nothing. As for jumping off, good thing the windows didn't raise too high.



I felt phantom pennant race pains for a couple more weeks. They'll turn it around, they'll turn it around... They didn't. The getaway 18-inning loss to the miserable Padres on August 27 is what convinced me contention was probably irretrievable. Probably.



(It was the Expos who finished second.)