2019 Rankings

[Frayed Knot]

OK, one final piece of business to take care of from last season before we proceed to this next one.

You know the drill: Top 30 2019 Mets ranked in order of contributions to that season.

The top candidate (unlike that of the Democratic Party) looks to be a two man race, but will it be the CY winner or the Slugger?

But how will the rest of the list look? And the results of this will also help to determine the Mets of the decade list.



And you get to select your list from this fine set of candidates



Hitters, as sorted by PA

ALONSO - ROSARIO - CONFORTO - McNEIL - RAMOS

FRAZIER - JD DAVIS - CANO - LAGARES - NIMMO

SMITH - HECHAVARRIA - NIDO - PANIK - GOMEZ

GUILLORME - BROXTON - ALTHERR - R DAVIS - d'ARNAUD

RIVERA - TEJADA - LOWRIE - HAGGERTY



Hurlers, by IP

deGROM - SYNDERGAARD - WHEELER - MATZ - VARGAS

LUGO - GSELLMAN - FAMILIA - STROMAN - DIAZ

WILSON - AVILAN - FONT - GAGNON - LOCKETT

BASHLOR - SEWALD - MAZZA - BRACH - FLEXEN

ZAMORA - SANTIAGO - PETERSON - POUNDERS - OSWALT

NOGOSEK - RHAME - O'ROURKE - HART



(I already have no recall of who 'Hart' is and I just wrote down his name)

[seawolf17]

I feel like every year, when this post hits, I'm like 100% sure we already did this.

[seawolf17]

Also, since we didn't, here's my list:



Alonso

deGrom

McNeil

Conforto

Syndergaard



JD Davis

Wheeler

Frazier

Ramos

Rosario



Lugo

Matz

Cano

Nimmo

Dom Smith



Stroman

Wilson

Gsellman

Vargas

Lagares



Brach

Avilan

Zamora

Familia

Diaz



Font

Panik

Hechavarria

Guillorme

Rajai Davis



Jeez, it gets ugly down at the bottom there quickly.

[kcmets]

I liked the year when Ceetar made a google spreadsheet that everyone

could just add their own column. That was cool!

[Gwreck]

DeGrom

Alonso

McNeil

Conforto

Wheeler

J. Davis

Syndergaard

Ramos

Lugo

Frazier

Rosario

Matz

Stroman

Vargas

Wilson

Cano

Nimmo

Smith

Gsellman

Brach

Panik

Avilan

Font

Guillorme

Sewald

Mazza

R. Davis

Hechavarria

Flexen

Gomez

[Ceetar]

I liked the year when Ceetar made a google spreadsheet that everyone could just add their own column. That was cool!

I did that?



I remember doing that for JCL's "Mets firsts" contest that he proposes and forgets about every year.





But here, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dq9QkdG9MAKrEI3SL26hl27p1WbHSS8veJdJe9cm4_0/edit?usp=sharinghttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dq9QkdG9MAKrEI3SL26hl27p1WbHSS8veJdJe9cm4_0/edit?usp=sharing



But I'd wait on official word from Frayed Knot (or his own spreadsheet) before adding stuff there. Whatever's easiest for him to sum up at the end.

[kcmets]

I did that? I remember doing that for JCL's "Mets firsts" contest that he proposes and forgets about every year.

I could be conflating predictions and rankings with the senility and all settling in.

Thanks for the link, I'm sure that will work splendidly for FK.

[Vic Sage]

REVISED:



I didn't include players that had the least PA, IP, and G, unless they had a positive WAR. This is based on the proposition that, if a guy only had a handful of appearances yet still managed to produce a negative WAR, then any fan sitting on his couch helped the Mets more by not playing at all. If you were a regular starter, no matter how bad, you contributed more with a catch here and a hit there than guys who barely played.



Based on my determination, then, there were 35 "qualified" players, ranked in descending order:



DeGrom

Alonzo

McNeil

Wheeler

Conforto



Lugo

Syndegaard

Matz

Ramos

Frazier



JDDavis

Rosario

Wilson

Vargas

Nimmo



Stroman

Cano

D.Smith

Brach

Guillorme



Gsellman

Panik

Font

Avilan

Sewald



Nido

Hecchavaria

Familia

Diaz

Lagares



qualified but not in top 30:

gomez

Mazza

Lockett

Bashlor

Gagnon



disqualified:

Hitters, as sorted by PA: BROXTON - ALTHERR - R DAVIS - d'ARNAUD-RIVERA - TEJADA - LOWRIE - HAGGERTY

Hurlers, by IP: FLEXEN -ZAMORA - SANTIAGO - PETERSON - POUNDERS - OSWALT- NOGOSEK - RHAME - O'ROURKE - HART

Edited February 27, 2020 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

=seawolf17 post_id=32249 time=1582511329 user_id=91]
I feel like every year, when this post hits, I'm like 100% sure we already did this.

[Edgy MD]

I love that everybody is finding space for Wilmer Font.

[Edgy MD]

Not me, though. Not quite.



1) Jacob deGrom



2) Peter Alonso

3) Zack Wheeler

4) Jeff McNeil

5) Noah Syndergaard

6) Michael Conforto



7) Amed Rosario

8) J.D. Davis

9) Seth Lugo

10) Steven Matz



11) Todd Frazier

12) Wilson Ramos

13) Brandon Nimmo

14) Jason Vargas



15) Dominic Smith

16) Robinson Canó

17) Marcus Stroman



18) Brad Brach

19) Robert Gsellman

20) Joe Panik

21) Justin Wilson

22) Paul Sewald

23) Luís Guillorme

24) Chris Mazza



25) René Rivera

26) Hector Santiago

27) Brooks Pounders

28) Edwin Díaz

29) Donnie Hart

30) Rajai Davis

[seawolf17]

Frayed Knot wrote: One of these years I'm going to start this thread the day after the season ends and I'm convinced Wolfie will still claim that we had done this already.

Yup.

Edgy MD wrote: 29) Donnie Hart 30) Rajai Davis

Rajai's lawyers would like to file a grievance.

[Edgy MD]

Throw a perfect inning and get back to us, Rajai.

[Edgy MD]

But sure, let's bump up guys who at least were out there grinding.







1) Jacob deGrom



2) Peter Alonso

3) Jeff McNeil

4) Zack Wheeler

5) Noah Syndergaard

6) Michael Conforto



7) Amed Rosario

8) J.D. Davis

9) Seth Lugo

10) Steven Matz



11) Todd Frazier

12) Wilson Ramos

13) Brandon Nimmo

14) Jason Vargas



15) Dominic Smith

16) Robinson Canó

17) Marcus Stroman



18) Brad Brach

19) Robert Gsellman

20) Joe Panik

21) Justin Wilson

22) Paul Sewald

23) Luís Guillorme

24) Chris Mazza



25) René Rivera

26) Edwin Díaz

27) Hector Santiago

28) Rajai Davis

29) Brooks Pounders

30) Donnie Hart

[Benjamin Grimm]

My apologies, but I'm going to have to let the Schaefer results stand as my contribution to this effort. I wasn't paying enough attention last year to be able to compare and contrast Brad Brach, Paul Sewald, Chris Mazza, Hector Santiago (who???), Brooks Pounders, and Donnie Hart.

[Edgy MD]

In fairness, I'm not sure all the defenders on the field at the time he was pitching remember Donnie Hart.

[seawolf17]

Edgy MD wrote: In fairness, I'm not sure all the defenders on the field at the time he was pitching remember Donnie Hart.

Quiz time, baby!

[G-Fafif]

30 Alonso

29 deGrom

28 McNeil

27 Lugo

26 Conforto

25 Wheeler

24 Ramos

23 Rosario

22 J.D. Davis

21 Syndergaard

20 Frazier

19 Matz

18 Cano

17 Wilson

16 Smith

15 Vargas

14 Stroman

13 Nimmo

12 Avilan

11 Gsellman

10 Diaz

9 Lagares

8 Brach

7 Hechavarria

6 Rajai Davis

5 Nido

4 Panik

3 Guillorme

2 Sewald

1 Gomez

[Ceetar]

Jacob deGrom 1

Zack Wheeler 2

Peter Alonso 3

Jeff McNeil 4

Noah Syndergaard 5

Michael Conforto 6

Amed Rosario 7

J.D. Davis 8

Seth Lugo 9

Steven Matz 10

Todd Frazier 11

Wilson Ramos 12

Brandon Nimmo 13

Jason Vargas 14

Dominic Smith 15

Robinson Cano 16

Marcus Stroman 17

Brad Brach 18

Robert Gsellman 19

Joe Panik 20

Justin Wilson 21

Paul Sewald 22

Luis Guillorme 23

Chris Mazza 24

Edwin Diaz 25

Rene Rivera 26

Brooks Pounders 27

Hector Santiago 28

Donnie Hart 29

Rajai Davis 30

[Frayed Knot]

On the pitching side there's no question about who is going to be top dog and little question as to the relievers being behind the starters



deGROM - nuff said

Wheeler - 1/3 run lower in ERA as compared to Syndergaard in essentially the same # of innings

Syndergaard

Lugo - a lower WHIP even than JdG

Matz - same # of starts as the other starters but 35-45 fewer IP

Wilson - a few too many walks and only a half-season of work, otherwise would be higher

Vargas

Stroman

Gsellman

Diaz

Familia

Avilan

Seawald - wasn't good but was also unlucky to a ridiculous degree [sub-1.1 WHiP]

Avilan

Brach - getting some awfully high votes for a guy w/14 IP for the season

Font





And the lists combined:



30 - deGROM

29 - ALONSO

28 - McNEIL

27 - WHEELER

26 - SYNDERGAARD

25 - CONFORTO

24 - LUGO

23 - JD DAVIS

22 - MATZ

21 - ROSARIO

20 - FRAZIER

19 - WILSON

18 - RAMOS

17 - NIMMO

16 - CANO

15 - VARGAS

14 - STROMAN

13 - DOM SMITH

12 - GSELLMAN

11 - DIAZ

10 - LAGARES

9 - FAMILIA

8 - NIDO

7 - AVILAN

6 - SEAWALD

5 - HECHAVARRIA

4 - BRACH

3 - PANIK

2 - FONT

1 - GUILLORME

[Frayed Knot]

I was going to close this on (original) opening day, so let's stick to that date anyway.

That means any additions, changes, arguments, counter arguments, or lawsuits need to be in as of one week from Wednesday (3/25)

[Edgy MD]

Lawsuit: There's only one A in SEWALD.

[Vic Sage]

FK, it's interesting (at least to me) that we had the same idea about who to include (with us having identical lists) but different philosophies about how to rank them (at least toward the bottom). We both weighed ABs/IP/G appearances as criteria for inclusion, but once having included a player, i chose to list those who made a net positive contribution in more limited opportunities over players who had a net negative impact in many more opportunities. IOW, once I decided a player should be included on the list of 30, their greater (-) WAR weighed even more heavily against them the more they played.

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: Lawsuit: There's only one A in SEWALD.

There should also be an accent mark over the second A in AVILÁN.



EVERYTHING'S GOING TO HELL!

[Frayed Knot]

Vic Sage wrote: FK, it's interesting (at least to me) that we had the same idea about who to include (with us having identical lists) but different philosophies about how to rank them (at least toward the bottom). We both weighed ABs/IP/G appearances as criteria for inclusion, but once having included a player, i chose to list those who made a net positive contribution in more limited opportunities over players who had a net negative impact in many more opportunities. IOW, once I decided a player should be included on the list of 30, their greater (-) WAR weighed even more heavily against them the more they played.

Hadn't realized that we had the same list. I make it a point not to look at other lists until I complete my own.

That whole quantity-vs-quality thing has long been the biggest question mark in this project and the one subject to the greatest range of interpretation. I've generally tended to side over the years with

the idea that, while it would be nice if the short-term success story had been given more opportunities to shine, the fact is he wasn't and so his contributions were limited. On the flip side, the idea that

a replacement type of player being an upgrade on struggling regular is more one on which to judge a GM or a long term strategy of building a team than it is for this project. That Diaz & Familia weren't

good in 2019 (and certainly not as good as hoped but we're not supposed to be grading on a curve here) isn't in question. But just their everyday-ness means they also had more than a few good outings

as well, something that a September call-up would have trouble matching in only a dozen or so innings.





I'm going to review my list before ending this thing next week -- **closing next Wednesday night for anyone who wants to add and change** -- and may change of few things, particularly on those where

I differ widely from the general consensus. Or a I may not change anything at all, but I'm open to considering.



As things stand now:

SEAWOLF is low on Vargas & Panik compared to the consensus, higher than the rest on Familia, Lagares

VIC SAGE is low on Diaz, high on Wilson & Nido

GWRECK is low on Diaz (no score at all) while having Font higher than most

EDGY is low on Avilan (with or w/o the accent) while high on several short-termers: Mazza, Rivera, Santiago

CEETAR also left Avilan pointless in favor of the likes of Pounders, Mazza, Rivera

GFaFiF likes Brach less than most but R. Davis more so

FK is low on both Brach & Guillorme, high on Wilson, Lagares & Familia



If anyone does change their list in any way before next week, put those changes into a new list; I won't necessarily see those changes if you just edit the old one.

[Frayed Knot]

And the final tally for the 2019 season is ...

	RANK		PLAYER
	30		JACOB deGROM
	29		PETE ALONSO
	28		JEFF McNEIL
	27		MICHAEL CONFORTO
	26		ZACK WHEELER
	25		NOAH SYNDERGAARD
	24		JD DAVIS
	23		AMED ROSARIO
	22		SETH LUGO
	21		WILSON RAMOS
	20		TODD FRAZIER
	19		STEVEN MATZ
	18		JASON VARGAS
	17		ROBINSON CANO
	16		BRANDON NIMMO
	15		DOM SMITH
	14		MARCUS STROMAN
	13		JUSTIN WILSON
	12		ROBERT GSELLMAN
	11		BRAD BRACH
	10		JOE PANIK
	9		EDWIN DIAZ
	8		LUIS AVILAN
	7		LUIS GUILLORME
	6		PAUL SEWALD
	5		JUAN LAGARES
	4		WILMER FONT
	3		ADEINY HECHAVARRIA
	2		CHRIS MAZZA
	1		JEURYS FAMILIA

[Frayed Knot]

So the (somewhat) successful 2019 season includes seven players who are (at least for the moment) Top-100 Mets, plus another one who just misses.



* Jacob deGrom - Now stands at the 14th best Met ever (up from 22 last year) passing two announcers and [CROSSOUT]his manager[/CROSSOUT] along the way.

JdG's points this year saw him leap over Darling, Muffy, Grote McGraw, Mookie, Leiter, Keith, and Mr. Beltran

* Noah Syndergaard - 40 (up from 56, but not moving up from there anytime soon)

* Michael Conforto - 48 (74)

* Zack Wheeler - 52 (75)

* Jeurys Familia - 72 (70) he drops two slots on account of passing no one while being passed by Conforto & Wheeler

* Juan Lagares - 82 (stayed right where he was)

* Steven Matz - 98 (129)

Seth Lugo - 103 (144)

Jeff McNeil - 114 (216) - sneaking one slot ahead of Eddie Murray for best ever two-year Met

Brandon Nimmo - 129 (146)

Amed Rosario - 147 (248)

Robert Gsellman - 160 (180)

Pete Alonso - debuts at 164 making him the second highest rated one-year player (Mike Hampton @ #149)

Todd Frazier - 181 (299)

JD Davis - debuts at 218

Wilson Ramos - debuts at 263

Jason Vargas - 264 (458)

Robinson Cano - debuts at 329

Dom Smith - didn't get any points for 2018 so he debuts on our list this year at 364

Marcus Stroman - debuts at 387

Justin Wilson - debuts at 403

Brad Brach - debuts at 449

Joe Panik - debuts at 477

Paul Sewald - 489 (526)

Edwin Diaz - debuts at 502

Luis Avilan - debuts at 520

Luis Guillorme - debuts at 546

Wilmer Font - debuts at 632

Adeiny Hechavarria - debuts at 661

Chris Mazza - debuts at 681 (out of 716 ranked players)

[Edgy MD]

Great work.



Surprised to see Nimmo still sitting a long throw from the Hot 100.

[Frayed Knot]

This needs to be moved to the Rankings Forum before it gets gobbled up by the archive fairy.

Speaking of which, we seem to be missing a bunch of the years in that forum. Were they lost in the last software update or something?

[kcmets]

Frayed Knot wrote: Speaking of which, we seem to be missing a bunch of the years in that forum. Were they lost in the last software update or something?

I was on a roll for awhile and then stopped and forgot about resuming. I'll

take a look at it again and see what we can do to add the missing years with

what we have available to us still.