Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Yeah I'm on board with all these ideas. Celebrities, fans, family pets, whatever works that night.

[Edgy MD]

"Two on and one out ... and Danza's sending HIMSELF in to pinch hit!!"

[MFS62]

Too bad Max Patkin and Al Schacht are no longer alive. They would have been perfect.

Later

[whippoorwill]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah I'm on board with all these ideas. Celebrities, fans, family pets, whatever works that night.

My cat Bennie would look cute in a Mets cap 🧢

[kcmets]

The '69 thing is over, Yanks thing done. Let's have a 3 o'clock press conference

Friday afternoon and put this horse out of it's misery.

[G-Fafif]

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The '69 thing is over, Yanks thing done. Let's have a 3 o'clock press conference

Friday afternoon and put this horse out of it's misery.

[Edgy MD]

Do it right, and they'll add some gravitas to it.



Heck have Jerry sit-in on the press conference. Or, alternatively, appoint him the interim manager.



"Guys, you KNOW how I feel about the high five. Use sanitizer or leave me out of it!"

[bmfc1]

Ken Rosenthal put some pressue on Brodie in The Athletic yesterday:

[bLOCKQUOTE]Unless first-year general manager Brodie Van Wagenen sees Callaway as a manager full of untapped potential – doubtful – he either believes an interim choice such as bench coach Jim Riggleman would have made little difference, or that the hiring of a veteran such as Joe Girardi without staging an industry-wide search would have been too impulsive.

...

Van Wagenen, so proactive with his player moves during the offseason, has been just the opposite – curiously passive – in the handling of his manager. His refusal to act on Callaway might already have cost the Mets a chance to better compete in 2019. It also might have cost them the chance to make a pre-emptive move for a difference-maker. Add it to the list of questionable decisions for the agent-turned-GM.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

https://theathletic.com/1061428/2019/07/03/rosenthal-mickey-callaways-future-a-scout-remembers-tyler-skaggs-time-to-change-all-star-process-more-notes/https://theathletic.com/1061428/2019/07/03/rosenthal-mickey-callaways-future-a-scout-remembers-tyler-skaggs-time-to-change-all-star-process-more-notes/



Unless BVW loves Girardi he's going to want to search "high and low" for a new manager (that he can manipulate) so perhaps Riggleman (or Terry, as discussed elsewhere) gets the job but I think that it happens on Wednesday or Thursday ("lets see, maybe they'll sweep the Phillies and it's Seinfeld night, then Alonso is in the HR Derby, and Manfred doesn't want a distraction for the Game, so we'll tell Martino on Wednesday and have a press conference on Thursday").

[Edgy MD]

I think the weirdest thing is that there's no audio or video of the locker room confrontation.



I've got to think a leak of some of that — if the characterizations were remotely accurate — would have really put the heat on management to act.



We're in an age where not only is everybody carrying a movie camera in their pocket, press reporters tend to have their phones ready to do the job that handheld tape recorders used to do, ready to grab a quote at the twitch of a thumb.



So, none of the TV and radio guys were ready to roll, and none of the press and internet guys thought to switch their phones on to get audio or video? Was Healey simply the last reporter out of the clubhouse?



And that goes for Vargas too. I mean, maybe Brodie spent his time with the 7 Line working the phones on a potential Vargas deal, but it's been a week and two starts for Vargie. Maybe giving the air a little time to clear increases the value, but I would have thought a Jason Vargas Deathwatch thread would last about two seconds.

[bmfc1]

What the hell are they waiting for?
https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1147912298390085632

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I see it.

[bmfc1]

Joe Girardi now, and give him a half-season to acclimate himself to the team, or a search in October which could still lead to Girardi?

https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/joe-girardi-presents-complex-case-for-mets-who-have-asked-around-about-ex-yankee-manager/308833486https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/joe-girardi-presents-complex-case-for-mets-who-have-asked-around-about-ex-yankee-manager/308833486

[Edgy MD]

The team's main question about Girardi is the right one: Do his hard work, skill and intelligence outweigh his intensity, which can be stifling?

Well, it's not like Mickey's intensity hasn't upset the apple cart, now, is it?



Lunchbucket once published a fantastic glossary of euphemisms writers use when talking about an asshole:

• Troubled : black guy who is an asshole.


• Fiery : Latino guy who is an asshole.


• Intense : white guy who is an asshole.

[MFS62]

Pete Rose isn't intense.

He's just an asshole.

Later

[whippoorwill]

Edgy MD wrote: The team's main question about Girardi is the right one: Do his hard work, skill and intelligence outweigh his intensity, which can be stifling? Well, it's not like Mickey's intensity hasn't upset the apple cart, now, is it? Lunchbucket once published a fantastic glossary of euphemisms writers use when talking about an asshole: Troubled : black guy who is an asshole. Fiery : Latino guy who is an asshole. Intense : white guy who is an asshole.

Exactly! And the bullpens not his fault. Though he could use it less imo

[metirish]

I never watched MFY games, unless playing against the Mets, but is Girardi a great in game manager as articles have suggested?

[HahnSolo]

=metirish post_id=15329 time=1562589083 user_id=72]
I never watched MFY games, unless playing against the Mets, but is Girardi a great in game manager as articles have suggested?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

From time to time it would have helped this club to have a skipper obsessed with that day's game, though it's not clear how possible that is when the manager willingly or not goes out there with his hands tied behind his back every night "we're only using our closer for the final 3 outs!" until the criticism arrives and it suddenly becomes "now let me demonstrate how we'll use our closer for MORE than 3 outs. Just watch!!" and then...



I think generally the Mets given their state are better off with a manager who's good with the media vs. one who's not, and I'd hate if there was a compromise there. A big part of the job is to sell the narrative and explain away the crises when need be and Mickey sucks at that and it doesn't sound like Girardi likes that part of the job.



Brodie Press Conference scheduled in Miami Friday.

[whippoorwill]

I wonder what this press conference could possibly be about. I mean we all are thinking ‘Manager change' but why on earth put it off for a week? But why put anything else off for a week either?



Weirdness.

[metirish]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: From time to time it would have helped this club to have a skipper obsessed with that day's game, though it's not clear how possible that is when the manager willingly or not goes out there with his hands tied behind his back every night "we're only using our closer for the final 3 outs!" until the criticism arrives and it suddenly becomes "now let me demonstrate how we'll use our closer for MORE than 3 outs. Just watch!!" and then... I think generally the Mets given their state are better off with a manager who's good with the media vs. one who's not, and I'd hate if there was a compromise there. A big part of the job is to sell the narrative and explain away the crises when need be and Mickey sucks at that and it doesn't sound like Girardi likes that part of the job. Brodie Press Conference scheduled in Miami Friday.

It's crazy that a manager needs to operate like this

[Edgy MD]

=whippoorwill post_id=15338 time=1562595047 user_id=79]
I wonder what this press conference could possibly be about. I mean we all are thinking ‘Manager change' but why on earth put it off for a week? But why put anything else off for a week either?



Weirdness.

[metirish]

If Pete was not competing tonight I would not watch

[whippoorwill]

Haven't watched in years because it takes for friggin ever

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: From time to time it would have helped this club to have a skipper obsessed with that day's game, though it's not clear how possible that is when the manager willingly or not goes out there with his hands tied behind his back every night "we're only using our closer for the final 3 outs!" until the criticism arrives and it suddenly becomes "now let me demonstrate how we'll use our closer for MORE than 3 outs. Just watch!!" and then... I think generally the Mets given their state are better off with a manager who's good with the media vs. one who's not, and I'd hate if there was a compromise there. A big part of the job is to sell the narrative and explain away the crises when need be and Mickey sucks at that and it doesn't sound like Girardi likes that part of the job. Brodie Press Conference scheduled in Miami Friday. It's crazy that a manager needs to operate like this

Crazy, but inevitable. Any manager with the character to stand up to these incompetent tyrants that own the team and stick their beaks in everything wouldn't get hired in the first place. It's all self fulfilling.



The problem is systemic and deeply rooted. Its not Callaway. He'll be replaced by somebody just like him



Two first place finishes in 31 seasons.

[Edgy MD]

If Mickelmas' regularly occurring flip-flops on the stuff like closer usage are based on policies forced on him, he's gonna have a helluva lot to sing about once he's sprung.



It seems easy enough to me. Even if you have a policy set in stone, don't describe it as such. It sets you up to look stupid and gives free opposition research to the guy in the other dugout.



>>> "Mickey, was it an option to use Diaz in the eighth?



>>> >>> "Well, as it stands now, we didn't think it was best to deploy our resources that way. That doesn't mean that in a similar situation going forward, we will or won't play it the same way."



>>> "So, you're saying that you currently have a hard rule to use your closer only in the ninth?"



>>> >>> "Absolutely not. It's how we approached it tonight. Now, hindsight is 20/20, but on the other hand, we'd be fools not to continually learn from how situations play themselves out in real games. In fact, I've got a meeting with my coaches right now."



>>> "Thanks for your time, Mick."



>>> >>> "Thank you guys."



>>> "See you tomorrow."



>>> >>> "WHO THE FUCK FUCKING SAID THAT?!! WHO?! VARGAS, DID YOU SEE WHO SAID THAT?!!!"

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: If Mickelmas' regularly occurring flip-flops on the stuff like closer usage are based on policies forced on him, he's gonna have a helluva lot to sing about once he's sprung....

He will. But he won't. Because he wants to continue to work in the game. So he'll keep his mouth shut and be a good soldier just like everybody else lest he ends up on the blacklist. Most everyone keeps their mouths shut. But the insiders all know what goes on.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: If Mickelmas' regularly occurring flip-flops on the stuff like closer usage are based on policies forced on him, he's gonna have a helluva lot to sing about once he's sprung.... He will. But he won't. Because he wants to continue to work in the game. So he'll keep his mouth shut and be a good soldier just like everybody else lest he ends up on the blacklist. Most everyone keeps their mouths shut. But the insiders all know what goes on.

Owners won't hire anyone who badmouthed prior management. The owners still run the game like it's a very exclusive and privileged country club. Which it is.

[Frayed Knot]

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=metirish post_id=15329 time=1562589083 user_id=72]
I never watched MFY games, unless playing against the Mets, but is Girardi a great in game manager as articles have suggested?