Mets Give A-Gon his unconditional release

[Zvon]

[Zvon]

And more dookie contacts the rotating blades.

[Zvon]

Well, I predicted to my brother that a head would roll if the Mets lost tonight. They won, but a head still rolls. Very surprised it was A-Gon.

I hope Dom is ready this time. I like him ( well, I kinda like all players who wear orange and blue. Or I try to).

Kelly up? Hmmmm. I predict Reyes retires before the Atlanta series if they don't push him out too. I think they are trying to give him that opportunity for as long as possible.

I believe Reyes is refusing to retire because he thinks if he's DFAd someone, somewhere, will pick him up. If so, he should rethink that.

[Guest 41Forever]

Wow. He did look horrible last night. What did he have, three strikeouts?

The sad part is that you like to see a once-great player go out on his own terms, with that finale at-bat coming with an ovation for a great career.

I don’t get the anger about making the announcement late at night.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not surprised at all.

As for Reyes, I'm not sure it's relevant, but a slowing bat is not what's wrong with his game.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ty Kelly! Cool!

[nymr83]

41Forever wrote: Wow. He did look horrible last night. What did he have, three strikeouts? The sad part is that you like to see a once-great player go out on his own terms, with that finale at-bat coming with an ovation for a great career. I don’t get the anger about making the announcement late at night.

the "anger" boils down to "how dare you tweet this announcement about a player with no meaning whatsoever in Mets history and make me, the all-important "journalist" think of something to type on a Sunday night!" "I deserve to use his release as an excuse to grill the GM!"

fuck 90% of the sports-covering media. this is a non-story.

good luck Smith, welcome aboard!

[Lefty Specialist]

Smith wasn't exactly tearing it up in Vegas. This is his last chance to prove himself, though, so he better be up to the task.

They hung onto A-Gon a little too long. And why they hang on to Reyes at all is a mystery. He's just beyond awful.

[metirish]

Nymr83 wrote: 41Forever wrote: Wow. He did look horrible last night. What did he have, three strikeouts? The sad part is that you like to see a once-great player go out on his own terms, with that finale at-bat coming with an ovation for a great career. I don’t get the anger about making the announcement late at night. the "anger" boils down to "how dare you tweet this announcement about a player with no meaning whatsoever in Mets history and make me, the all-important "journalist" think of something to type on a Sunday night!" "I deserve to use his release as an excuse to grill the GM!" fuck 90% of the sports-covering media. this is a non-story. good luck Smith, welcome aboard!

Yeah, not getting the anger with this , he was terrible , I mean, the Mets could cut several players from this squad and there would not be much anger...

[MFS62]

Nymr83 wrote: the "anger" boils down to "how dare you tweet this announcement about a player with no meaning whatsoever in Mets history and make me, the all-important "journalist" think of something to type on a Sunday night!" "I deserve to use his release as an excuse to grill the GM!"

This is how Sherman vents his anger when his beloved MFYs lost to the Mets.
He's a petty little shit and loves to bash the Mets. He must have typed that with only one hand.

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[Edgy MD]

I'm certain that if he was pinned down, Alderson could defend Reyes' far lower stat line as more redeemable than Gonzalez', citing advanced metrics like chase rate and exit velocity and BABIP.

He's certainly still on the clock.

[Ceetar]

I liked the Gonzalez flyer and there was a lot to like in the metrics in April (hard hit rate, squaring up the ball, hitting it harder, etc), but all that vanished over the last couple of weeks.

My conspiracy theory/guess here is that Dominic Smith was sent to Vegas to work on his plate discipline, something he did wondrously. I wouldn't worry too much about the overall numbers in AAA this year. Just hope now that he's up he doesn't abandon it and he starts mashing mistakes and taking his walks. He could theoretically make up for the loss of Cabrera offensively.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

If you could run parallel tenures I think Gonzalez would have outhomered Smith to this point in the year, but I guess their OPSes wouldn't be too dissimilar.

[smg58]

I think if Cabrera is OK, then Reyes goes when Flores is ready. Hell, if Cecchini weren't also the DL, Reyes would have been gone a while ago. Everybody else drops, and the guy with the .400 OPS who's no better with the glove stays healthy.

[Ceetar]

smg58 wrote: I think if Cabrera is OK, then Reyes goes when Flores is ready. Hell, if Cecchini weren't also the DL, Reyes would have been gone a while ago. Everybody else drops, and the guy with the .400 OPS who's no better with the glove stays healthy.

oh yeah, I mentally already had dismissed Lobaton and thought they DL'd Cabrera for Ty.

But still, if it's some sort of back up-back up SS reason they're keeping Reyes, that's dumb.

[smg58]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If you could run parallel tenures I think Gonzalez would have outhomered Smith to this point in the year, but I guess their OPSes wouldn't be too dissimilar.

Smith is similar to Bruce and Conforto in that their peripherals aren't all that different from what they've been when things are going well (Smith in fact has a significantly improved walk rate), except that they've all had their power sapped in ways that would make me think they're dealing with injuries. Ideally you'd rotate them, starting two against righties and one against lefties, and hope the extra rest starts bringing them around. This would naturally be a lot easier to do if Cespedes were coming back on Tuesday, but whatever. It's reached the point where I would call up Alonso, and I'm not normally for pulling guys from AA. I would not introduce him to anybody on our training staff, however.

Edited June 11, 2018 by Guest

[batmagadanleadoff]

Oooh! The Mets fired Willie Randolph at midnight. How terrible. What brutes. I'm still enraged over this egregious mistreatment of such a superbly qualified manager.

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: I'm certain that if he was pinned down, Alderson could defend Reyes' far lower stat line as more redeemable than Gonzalez', citing advanced metrics like chase rate and exit velocity and BABIP. He's certainly still on the clock.

Reyes also has "ability to play multiple positions capably, if no longer well" which is a pretty in-demand skill on a team that insists on carrying a short bench. I'd still cut him, but his presence is far more defensible than Gonzalez's from that perspective

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I'm certain that if he was pinned down, Alderson could defend Reyes' far lower stat line as more redeemable than Gonzalez', citing advanced metrics like chase rate and exit velocity and BABIP. He's certainly still on the clock. Reyes also has "ability to play multiple positions capably, if no longer well" which is a pretty in-demand skill on a team that insists on carrying a short bench. I'd still cut him, but his presence is far more defensible than Gonzalez's from that perspective

This literally means nothing though. Like, you could literally put Kevin Plawecki at SS and he'd know to go pick up the balls near him and throw to whether the runner is going. Or Jose Bautista. Or like, Robert Gsellman.

There is an entire minor league system of guys that could do what Reyes is doing that you could also just cut afterwards because they're like 28 year old minor leaguers.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Nymr83 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I'm certain that if he was pinned down, Alderson could defend Reyes' far lower stat line as more redeemable than Gonzalez', citing advanced metrics like chase rate and exit velocity and BABIP. He's certainly still on the clock. Reyes also has "ability to play multiple positions capably, if no longer well" which is a pretty in-demand skill on a team that insists on carrying a short bench. I'd still cut him, but his presence is far more defensible than Gonzalez's from that perspective

Hey --- Reyes is more worse at more positions than Gonzalez is. That's some sales pitch.

[MFS62]

I'm not looking at this as an opportunity for Smith. I'm looking at this as an opportunity to move Peter Alonso to AAA.
And Alonso is NOT in the Las Vegas lineup tonight.
I hope it means he is still en route.
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