IGT 05/08 - NYM @ CIN - On the Road Again - 2

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Well, it's getting ugly now. The Mets getting their asses handed to them again.

I am losing all hope of this team contending for a playoff spot.

[bmfc1]

Fman99 wrote: Fuck Hansel Robles.

He is consistent... consistently terrible. Between Vargas and Robles, tonight is an indictment of the team management by Sandy Alderson.

[Edgy MD]

Centerfield wrote: No really. Why is Robles on this team?

Well, not to do this.

I think they're saving him for the Votto trade.

[Centerfield]

Vargas: holy crap I suck.

Robles: Hold my beer.

[Centerfield]

Oh please be hurt.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

FFS, he can't even suck up a take-a-beating-for-the-team properly.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Centerfield wrote: No really. Why is Robles on this team?

The same could be said for Jason Vargas. As bad as Harvey was, I think he was better than Vargas and definitely had more upside. I think Harvey's his surly, prickish personality contributed to his departure.

[Centerfield]

That’s what happens when you judge a pitcher by wins instead of looking at other numbers like ERA, WHIP and age.

[Guest 41Forever]

I've seen soccer dives look more realistic than Robles' "injury." Not complaining, mind you. Anything that gets him out of there.

Vargas' 2017 ERA would have been second-best on our team, I think. There were valid reasons to give him a shot. I don't think anyone could have predicted he'd be this bad.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Rockin' Doc wrote: Centerfield wrote: No really. Why is Robles on this team? The same could be said for Jason Vargas. As bad as Harvey was, I think he was better than Vargas and definitely had more upside. I think Harvey's his surly, prickish personality contributed to his departure.

Well, Harvey doesn't have a two-year deal, and has a longer trend line of failure.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

In all fairness, Vargas has been better far more recently, and consistently decent over the last few years (even in seasons when he has been injured).

I think Harvey's departure has far more to do with his inability to deliver in any capacity-- high-end performance, consistency, health-- in any role he's been given during the last two-plus years... and that he hasn't begun to resemble the pitcher he once was, or shown any sign of adjustment to changed circumstance, for that same time. He's been crap AND terrible at making/handling changes.

[Centerfield]

Fucking Bruce. Guy is useless.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Nice ovation for the new guy from his exes.

The Cards may not even have the best fans in their damn division.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

What a dumb bunny of a game. Ugly, sloppy, farty... the Cincinnati chili of away games.

[Guest cooby]

Centerfield wrote: Oh please be hurt.

Lol.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The way this season's trending, Harvey's gonna get a surprise start tomorrow and pitch a complete game shutout.

[Centerfield]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: In all fairness, Vargas has been better far more recently, and consistently decent over the last few years (even in seasons when he has been injured). I think Harvey's departure has far more to do with his inability to deliver in any capacity-- high-end performance, consistency, health-- in any role he's been given during the last two-plus years... and that he hasn't begun to resemble the pitcher he once was, or shown any sign of adjustment to changed circumstance, for that same time. He's been crap AND terrible at making/handling changes.

I guess it depends on what you consider decent. In 2017, he had an ERA over 4 and a WHIP right around the league average.

He was hurt in 2016, pitching in only 3 games (but was good in that small sample size). He was hurt in 2015 as well and only made 9 starts, posting similar numbers to what he did last year. 2014 was the last year he was healthy prior to last, and his numbers again, were right around league averages (3.71 ERA, WHIP of 1.273). The only stat that suggests he is anything but an average pitcher is the number of wins, which is why we heard so many times from the Mets that they signed "18 game winner Jason Vargas".

He was signed with the intent that he be a stabilizing, dependable part of rotation. But I look and see an oft-injured, league average pitcher, signed at age 35 to a 2 year deal.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Cast your vote!

[Benjamin Grimm]