deGrom get well

[Frayed Knot]

I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do?

Here we're getting GOOD news on deGrom and all we can do seemingly is bitch about it. If he's medically cleared to throw and his between start program goes well then I'd want to see him out there for next turn, and sitting him out simply because you're afraid of what folks might say if and when things go south is a really stupid way to make decisions. And perhaps it's telling that the Rico/plane thing comes up again because for years, whenever it would surface, I'd ask about whether anyone had info evidence that being on a plane is a bad idea post-concussion and the only answer I ever got was, 'well I have no idea but they shouldn't have done it'.

We (including me) frequently complain whenever the Mets make decisions based on PR reasons, and yet here we are not only bitching but pre-bitching that they might not.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do?

And golf, don't forget golf!

[nymr83]

not all doctors are trustworthy:

[Guest cooby]

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do? Here we're getting GOOD news on deGrom and all we can do seemingly is bitch about it. If he's medically cleared to throw and his between start program goes well then I'd want to see him out there for next turn, and sitting him out simply because you're afraid of what folks might say if and when things go south is a really stupid way to make decisions. And perhaps it's telling that the Rico/plane thing comes up again because for years, whenever it would surface, I'd ask about whether anyone had info evidence that being on a plane is a bad idea post-concussion and the only answer I ever got was, 'well I have no idea but they shouldn't have done it'. We (including me) frequently complain whenever the Mets make decisions based on PR reasons, and yet here we are not only bitching but pre-bitching that they might not.

Did not mean to put a negative vibe on this but just thinking of last year and Thor. But that was as much his fault as the doctors’.

[Centerfield]

I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do?

Sure. They might know more, but it doesn't mean they are right. The medical staff cleared Noah to pitch in Washington last year and cleared Cespedes to return when his leg was "healed". Both, in hindsight, were bad decisions.

Anyone that knows anything about medicine knows that it's an inexact science. There is a certain amount of guesswork involved. That is why caution and prudence are recommended. Could deGrom make his next start? Maybe. Would it be prudent for him to give himself extra time? Absolutely. And I'm sure the doctors at HSS would agree.

Here we're getting GOOD news on deGrom and all we can do seemingly is bitch about it.

Not one person is bitching about the good news.

If he's medically cleared to throw and his between start program goes well then I'd want to see him out there for next turn, and sitting him out simply because you're afraid of what folks might say if and when things go south is a really stupid way to make decisions.

So this is like, completely the opposite of what I said.

I said:

"They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure."

But hey, don't let my actual words get in the way of a good rant.

And perhaps it's telling that the Rico/plane thing comes up again because for years, whenever it would surface, I'd ask about whether anyone had info evidence that being on a plane is a bad idea post-concussion and the only answer I ever got was, 'well I have no idea but they shouldn't have done it'.

There are plenty of doctors who say that this shouldn't be done. And by your logic, that means it cannot be contested right? There are others who are not sure that this has any effect. Still others feel that flying is ok for some, not for other, but it's impossible to tell who will be affected in what way. In other words, it's an inexact science. When something is unclear, prudence and caution should be exercised. Now, it's easy to criticize now, since we know a lot more about brain injuries now than we knew then. But failing to exercise caution when it comes to medical decisions is foolish. And will ultimately hurt you.

We (including me) frequently complain whenever the Mets make decisions based on PR reasons, and yet here we are not only bitching but pre-bitching that they might not.

Like I said before, I explicitly state that PR has nothing to do with my thinking. If the right decision also ends up covering your ass, so be it, but make the right decision.

If you DL deGrom, you exercise caution and it costs you one start. A start against the worst team in the NL. In the meantime, you get 10 days where you can get either a fresh arm, or an extra hitter of the bench. To me, this is a no-brainer.

[nymr83]

"They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure."

Is there any evidence given his current condition that a skipped start would be beneficial or that he would be less likely to cause further injury 10 days from now instead of 5? the "right thing" is following medical advice. unless there is medical advice not to play he should play.

[Centerfield]

Nymr83 wrote: "They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure." Is there any evidence given his current condition that a skipped start would be beneficial or that he would be less likely to cause further injury 10 days from now instead of 5? the "right thing" is following medical advice. unless there is medical advice not to play he should play.

You assume that the medical advice is couched in black and white. That the doctors will say he can, or cannot play. Medical advice is seldom given in absolutes. They can diagnose an injury, give an estimate of recovery, but then whether a player is recovered depends on feedback from the player, assessments as to how he "looks", and then you weigh that against the risk of re-injury.

If you asked any of those doctors whether deGrom could benefit from missing a start, I would guess not one of them answers with "No, makes no difference. Go ahead and pitch."

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Easy, ya belly achers. I mean, when has rest ever helped with a stress injury?

[A Boy Named Seo]

Overly cautious. Not worth the risk. Good things to hear.

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[bmfc1]

I'm sure that he's just fine and will pitch on schedule next Sunday just as he was just fine and was supposed to pitch on schedule tomorrow.

[ashie62]

Seeing on twitterverse the Mets might go with a bullpen game tomorrow.

Corey Oswalt just started for LV so he's out

[dgwphotography]

P.J. Conlon will start Monday, and DeGrom will have an amputation procedure Wednesday, Thursday at the latest

[ashie62]

Happy to see Conlon up. I like him