Giancarlo: Going Once, Going Twice, ...

[Frayed Knot]

The Marlins apparently have the "general framework" in place to trade G. Stanton to either the Cardinals or Giants.

No details as of yet and the details are of course what's still being discussed, mostly likely the money the Marlins would have to front.
Also of note is that Stanton himself has to approve any trade and that he can opt out of the deal following the 2020 season so whoever the receiving team winds up being has only three seasons of him
for sure.

An article a few days ago which mentioned the Giants talks heating up talked about the return looking something like IF Joe Panik plus two of SFG's better prospects (not sure how those prospects sit in
the grand scheme of minor league prospects) with the Marlins eating only a small portion of the remaining $255 million guarantee on the deal running through the 2027 season w/an option for 2028.


http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262789910/giancarlo-stanton-pondering-his-future-home/

[Guest 41Forever]

Derek Jeter intent on destroying whatever is left of the Marlins' fan base.

[Lefty Specialist]

If he opts out (a likely possibility) the Marlins would be off the hook for the rest of that salary. So you have to look at it that way- they may not be eating as much as you think.

[Frayed Knot]

If he opts out (a likely possibility) ...

Hard to say. Is Stanton, as he turns 31 y/o (Nov 2020), going to be able to snag a new contract better than the one in place slated to pay him: $29, $29, $32, $32, $32, $29, $25, $25/$10 buyout?
Depends on a number of conditions obviously, mainly his skills/condition after three more seasons are in the bag but also the financial state of the game. Don't think I'd go as far as "likely" at this point.

the Marlins would be off the hook for the rest of that salary. So you have to look at it that way- they may not be eating as much as you think.

It seems to me that whatever the Marlins are/aren't going to eat here is going to be set in stone by the terms of the trade. Now, sure, Miami would be smart to factor in that the opt-out condition exists but
I don't think him opting out changes what Miami pays going forward since they'll have already sent that loot handcuffed to Giancarlo's wrist on the buggy ride over. It would then be on SF/StL to either
renegotiate or punt if/when he pulls the rip cord.
But, in general, I agree that I don't think Miami is going to be paying much here, certainly not what the Rangers paid to make ARod go away.

[Edgy MD]

The Giants may nab Stanton and Ohtani right on top of one another.

[Edgy MD]

So, reports are now that Stanton is holding up the deal because he doesn't want to be stupid Giant or a dumbass Cardinal. But would rather be a repulsive Yankee or a horrifying Dodger. At least that's what Ken Rosenthal is reporting behind his big dumb paywall.

Stanton has a no-trade clause, and he's submitted a list of teams that he will waive that clause for, and while the Yanks, Dogies, Cubbers, and Stros are on the list, the Gigantes and Cards ain't.

If experience tells me anything, using no-trade clauses to block deals is typically the mechanism by which a fat cat with a long term contract gets that option year at the end of his contract guaranteed. Whichever team guarantees that 2028 (!) season on his deal, I would guess, gets added to the list.

[Lefty Specialist]

Jeez, in Houston he'd probably put that train out of commission.

[Centerfield]

Edgy MD wrote: Stanton has a no-trade clause, and he's submitted a list of teams that he will waive that clause for, and while the Yanks, Dogies, Cubbers, and Stros are on the list, the Gigantes and Cards ain't.

It seems like he's intent on making sure he plays in the 2017 post-season.

[Frayed Knot]

If experience tells me anything, using no-trade clauses to block deals is typically the mechanism by which a fat cat with a long term contract gets that option year at the end of his contract guaranteed. Whichever team guarantees that 2028 (!) season on his deal, I would guess, gets added to the list.

Normally, yes. But this time it's Him with the options, aka: an opt-out clause after three more seasons so he has the choice as to whether or not he's even around when that final year comes around.

[Frayed Knot]

Both the Cards & Giants issue statements that they are now OUT of the Giancarlo sweepstakes.
Sounds just like the time I issued a statement that I was no longer intending to marry Scarlet Johansson ... a move I made right after she turned me down and threatened the restraining order.

[Edgy MD]

Normally, yes. But this time it's Him with the options, aka: an opt-out clause after three more seasons so he has the choice as to whether or not he's even around when that final year comes around.

There's probably still some value in getting that final year guaranteed. There's every chance he won't be in a position to opt out.

His contract is really generous.

[Guest d'Kong76]

He'll be a Yankee before sundown Tues... a true Yankee.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: He'll be a Yankee before sundown Tues... a true Yankee.

lol. Stanton puts them up against the competitive balance tax, with 2 outfielders under contract and Judge.

[Centerfield]

We can joke all we want, but the fact that Stanton is willing to go to the Yankees but not the Mets speaks volumes. There is only one team in NY committed to winning and Stanton knows which team that is.

[Edgy MD]

I understand, but I'm not sure what we have is a complete list of his preferred teams.

[Mex17]

I am absolutely going to lose my shit if Stanton goes to the Yankees without them at least giving up Judge and Jeter is the one who pulls the trigger from the Marlins end.

[Centerfield]

I don’t see Judge going. Stanton/Yankees have the upper hand here and the Marlins know it.

They were one win away from the World Series and they are going after Giancarlo Fucking Stanton. Check that, Giancarlo Fucking Stanton is going after them because he believes in their commitment to winning. We are a borough away and we are basically invisible.

If this happens they’ll have the NL MVP and the AL MVP runner up.

But hey. Brian Shaw. Woohoo.

[Mex17]

For this to be fair trade, it would have to be Ellsbury/Judge/Torres or Ellsbury/Judge/Adams/Sheffield.

From the Dodgers end, it would need to be at least Gonzalez/Puig/Buehler.

Anything other than that and Jeter is a fucking moron, I don't care how financially strapped the Marlins are. And if he trades Stanton to the Yankees without getting Judge back he ought to be denied first ballot election to the HOF out of general principle for potentially throwing the entire sport out of whack for a decade in favor of his former team.

There is not a Yankee fan that I know who would not tell me that the Mets would have to give up Conforto and Syndergaard if they wanted Stanton. Can you imagine those same people reacting to when a Yankee team that has both Stanton and Judge starts winning title after title (again)?

[Centerfield]

Joel Sherman is reporting Starlin Castro and good, but not top, prospects going the other way.

They are going to get Stanton without giving up their top prospects.

But who cares about payroll right?

[Centerfield]

And I’m just thinking about the MFY fans going nuts and saying “Jeter comes through again!l”

Makes me sick.

[Mex17]

Plus, I thought the entire point of Stanton playing hardball with his no-trade clause was because he wanted to orchestrate getting closer to Southern California if not directly back to LA. So then he denies a trade to San Francisco only to possibly accept one to New York?

[Guest d'Kong76]

Heyman saying it so too, so it must be so.
If this isn't an entirely fair and square trade I demand investigation.

[metirish]

Ugh, this sucks but fair fucks to the MFY for getting this done , not giving up a lot , taking on $$ but they don't worry about that

[Mex17]

Financial limitations or no financial limitations, St. Derek can still show some backbone and demand Judge (or Puig). He should get more than that, but at least that while also taking on at least one bad contract for a shorter term than what Stanton is owed.

[Guest 41Forever]

Stanton is going to hit 80 homers in that bandbox and with protection in the lineup.

Freaking Jeter.

[MFS62]

Fuck Derek Jeter.
He just gave gift baskets to the entire Marlins fan base.

Later

Edited December 9, 2017 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Mex17 wrote: Plus, I thought the entire point of Stanton playing hardball with his no-trade clause was because he wanted to orchestrate getting closer to Southern California if not directly back to LA.

Why would you think that?

[Mex17]

Edgy MD wrote: Mex17 wrote: Plus, I thought the entire point of Stanton playing hardball with his no-trade clause was because he wanted to orchestrate getting closer to Southern California if not directly back to LA. Why would you think that?

Because I have heard for years that he would prefer to be on the West Coast.

But, in fairness, him being a dick to Jeter by vetoing the other deals with St. Louis and SF could also be in response to Jeter being a dick to him during this process.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Mex17 wrote: Mex17 wrote: Plus, I thought the entire point of Stanton playing hardball with his no-trade clause was because he wanted to orchestrate getting closer to Southern California if not directly back to LA. Why would you think that? Because I have heard for years that he would prefer to be on the West Coast. But, in fairness, him being a dick to Jeter by vetoing the other deals with St. Louis and SF could also be in response to Jeter being a dick to him during this process.

Up until last night, MLB wagering was on him becoming a Dodger. If this really
turns out to be just a money thing it needs to be looked at closer by the commish's
office. It's not in the best interest of baseball to have Mr. Yankee buy a baseball team
and then months later 'selling' his best player to his former richer team. It stinks worse
than three-day-old un-refrigerated Marlin carcass. It's like Cashman and Jeter did this
last night in the bathtub over cocktails? And whatever happened to the notion that if
you can't afford to do business in baseball you shouldn't own a team?

[Mex17]

d'Kong76 wrote: Mex17 wrote: Mex17 wrote: Plus, I thought the entire point of Stanton playing hardball with his no-trade clause was because he wanted to orchestrate getting closer to Southern California if not directly back to LA. Why would you think that? Because I have heard for years that he would prefer to be on the West Coast. But, in fairness, him being a dick to Jeter by vetoing the other deals with St. Louis and SF could also be in response to Jeter being a dick to him during this process. Up until last night, MLB wagering was on him becoming a Dodger. If this really turns out to be just a money thing it needs to be looked at closer by the commish's office. It's not in the best interest of baseball to have Mr. Yankee buy a baseball team and then months later 'selling' his best player to his former richer team. It stinks worse than three-day-old un-refrigerated Marlin carcass. It's like Cashman and Jeter did this last night in the bathtub over cocktails? And whatever happened to the notion that if you can't afford to do business in baseball you shouldn't own a team?

Right, what if the Giant and Cardinal proposals were nothing more that a front that Jeter put out there to cover his tracks knowing that Stanton would veto those deals. Then he has an excuse by saying "Hey, I tried to send him somewhere else first."

Alright, I'll take my tin foil hat off now. . .