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ERA is cumulative for the whole year, up until the total, which is only the post-ASB cumulative ERA. WHIP is each game's total WHIP, up until the total which is post-ASB WHIP.VICTOR ZAMBRANOPOST-ASBWLERAGGSCGSHOSVSVOIPHRERHRBBKWHIP7/16ATL013.5111000076220461.437/22LAN013.861100004.210661012.387/27@COL103.7811000075220351.148/2MIL004.191100001.17664026.368/7CHN104.0011000085110210.888/12@LAN004.1611000066550451.678/18PIT014.2411000066441131.178/23@ARI104.0711000086110231.00335.0688000048512727616261.40

One loss seperating the five teams.WildcardLPhiladelphia59Houston59Florida59New York60Washington60

Tied Washington!PL.EastWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK1Atlanta7155.563--41-2130-3429-2023-1212-157-85-5L12Philadelphia6859.5353.53.540-2828-3122-2819-1620-77-86-4W13Florida6659.5284.55.538-2828-3123-2515-1618-1310-57-3L1T-4New York6560.5205.58.540-2525-3527-2319-1814-95-107-3W2T-4Washington6560.5205.58.534-2331-3722-2717-1714-1012-65-5L1PL.WildcardWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK1Philadelphia6859.535--40-2828-3122-2819-1620-77-86-4W12Houston6759.5320.50.542-2225-3715-1427-2718-107-84-6L13Florida6659.5281.01.538-2828-3123-2515-1618-1310-57-3L1T-4New York6560.5202.04.540-2525-3527-2319-1814-95-107-3W2T-4Washington6560.5202.04.534-2331-3722-2717-1714-1012-65-5L16Milwaukee6264.4925.52232-2530-3916-1525-3013-128-76-4W17Chicago6165.4846.52831-3130-3410-2030-2415-126-95-5W1

seawolf17 wrote:A combined ERA of 6.00 from your top two guys (Looper & Bert) and four total blown saves? Heilman notwithstanding, they're at 4.62 for the month... I'd say that's actually pretty ugly.You make good points, but you can't just pull out Heilman. The top two inning-earners, making up 42% of the month's output, pitched well.Oh well. It's just a recommended answer.

Today's question: Does the Met bullpen suck?Today's answer: Not in AugustAUGUST 2005WLERAGGSCGSHOSVSVOIPHRERHRHBPBBKA Heilman000.827000121191102313J Padilla003.3860000010.213540234B Looper124.669000349.211551035R Hernandez117.568000028.112772048D Graves001.8050000055510021J Santiago006.0020000036220112D Koo003.865000002.12110011233.78420004850582621351734

]Again, I have no problem with trading for Ishii. What I have a problem with is giving valuable innings to pitchers who are clearly inferior to internal options.Even playing devil's advocate, I would have to agree that Ishii showed his sucktitude. But as devil's advocate, I would argue that Seo's improved performance was not positively known to be a precursor for the future.

I see where you all are going. Exhibit A would be the Pistons-Pacers fiasco last December. Someone did throw that beer, regardless of whether Artest was also being an asshole/asshat.

ERA is cumulative for the whole year, up until the total, which is only the post-ASB cumulative ERA. WHIP is each game's total WHIP, up until the total which is post-ASB WHIP.TOM GLAVINEPOST-ASBWLERAGGSCGSHOSVSVOIPHRERHRBBKWHIP7/15ATL004.7111000076110422.007/20SD104.6211000066220131.177/25@COL014.6911000068540121.507/30@HOU014.5011000075111030.718/5CHI104.50110000810542021.258/11@SD014.4111000079220031.238/17PIT104.2611000079111121.438/22@ARI104.1011000085110150.75432.578800005658181648221.18

]Um, right, that's why I said "four starts after he was sent back to Norfolk" My bad, I missed this in the first read through.

Not the Mets, that's for sure. See, Guerrero, V.(No, I will not get over it until every Met fan who told me his back made him a question mark admits they were wrong.)

]Seo was CLEARLY a better option than Ishii, which became obvious about 4 starts after he was sent to Norfolk,Let's not act like this was true out of spring training. Anybody who says they wanted Seo over Ishii out of the gate is lying, and I wish we had archives left from the old CPF. (Of course, maybe Ishii's 2004 numbers are crappy enough to make me look stupid, but I doubt it when considering Seo's '04 numbers.)Out of spring training, Ishii was the logical choice. After Seo's good start, Ishii was still the logical choice, because Norfolk stats and a couple of good starts don't make up for Seo's overall history. IMO, The only thing the Mets did too wrong was holding on to Ishii too long after he went to the crapper.

I know it shouldn't bother me, because the drivel of idiots shouldn't bother me. But it's distressing that a lot of the success from this year will be passed off as being borrowed from the Yankees, because somehow Willie brought it over.

Bret Sabermetric wrote:I'm arguing that the roster was partly composed to appeal to a particular demographic, which is the part that I find disgusting, and that has blown up in the Mets' faces.Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the best available hitter and pitcher in the off season were both of a certain demographic.

Glavine 6Floyd 2Reyes 1Diaz 1

How did this discussion come up? This thread was supposed to be about how more Met fans are racists then in the past.

]Once having lost him, they could have decided to overpay Sexton and other available slugging 1B men,Well, Sexson signed in December and Delgado in January, so that's one wrong. I don't like Minky either, and have been angrily typing since the winter to those who prefer Minky, but I think after Delgado signed there was no one left.

]This I dont totally agree with. Asshole fans were a different type of asshole. It has changed. This seems like a silly statement to me.

I thought they made the same offer to Delgado that Florida did.

WildcardLHouston58Florida58Philadelphia59Washington59New York60

PL.EastWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK1Atlanta7154.568--41-2130-3329-2023-1112-157-85-5W22Florida6658.5324.54.538-2828-3023-2515-1518-1310-57-3W23Philadelphia6759.5324.54.540-2827-3122-2819-1619-77-86-4L14Washington6559.5245.57.534-2231-3722-2717-1614-1012-66-4W15New York6460.5166.511.540-2524-3527-2319-1813-95-106-4W1PL.WildcardWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK1Houston6758.536--42-2225-3615-1427-2718-97-84-6W22Florida6658.5320.50.538-2828-3023-2515-1518-1310-57-3W23Philadelphia6759.5320.50.540-2827-3122-2819-1619-77-86-4L14Washington6559.5241.53.534-2231-3722-2717-1614-1012-66-4W15New York6460.5162.57.540-2524-3527-2319-1813-95-106-4W16Milwaukee6164.4886.02531-2530-3915-1525-3013-128-75-5L17Chicago6065.4807.03130-3130-349-2030-2415-126-95-5L3

MFY 2, TOR 0 - Top 7CLE 4, TAM 4 - Bot 6STL 3, PIT 1 - Bot 8ATL 2, CHI 0 - Bot 4

I really, really like this!!! Jacobs getting the nod is beautiful. Kind of shows that we're willing to give the young guys a shot, even if they were forced into it via two injuries.

]Caveat emptor to the self-serving rah-rah b.s. of Art Howe's "We battled," of Minaya's "We plan to compete this season," etc. I didn't believe it in the beginning of the season, and I still maintain that they aren't making the playoffs, but I'm pretty sure Minaya has been proven right.

Today's question: Does Danny Graves Suck?Of course everyone knows that the answer is yes, but let's try to go a little deeper than that.Willie and Danny himself see good things, even from Saturday's 5-run (1 earned) effort (nymets.com):]Moving in the right direction: Asked about Danny Graves' performance on Saturday night -- after the right-handed reliever allowed five runs (one earned) in two-thirds of an inning -- Randolph was complimentary, saying that he didn't believe Graves had looked as bad as his final line indicated. And perhaps there's something to that. Graves also seemed mildly satisfied with the outing -- not that the runs scored were acceptable, but because he can see the baseball dancing on its way to the plate again. "I think my sinker is back to where it was with the late action on it," said Graves. "Obviously, the velocity is not there, but I'm convinced it's not going to be there. So I'm just concentrating on trying to get my movement back." The 32-year-old has been something of a reclamation project for the bullpen this season after being cut loose by the Cincinnati Reds earlier in the summer. The results have been mixed, and Graves points to his 2003 campaign, in which he threw 169 innings for Cincinnati -- mostly as a starter -- as a major reason why his pitch speed has dropped. "I'm not one to make excuses, but now I'm learning to pitch with different velocities," he said. "I'm perfectly healthy, and we've done tests a number of times this year to make sure everything's fine. Maybe it's just wear and tear throughout the years." Here's a Game Log:Note: ERA is cumulative.DATEGAMEWLERAGIPHRERHRBBKNP-SGO-AOJUN 14@OAK000.001100000013-93-0JUN 16@OAK0013.501143300122-141-1JUN 22@PHI0010.1210.20000018-51-0JUN 25@NYA007.711241110232-202-2JUN 28PHI008.101222220036-244-2JUN 29PHI007.041100001116-110-2JUL 02FLO006.4810.21000019-81-0JUL 05@WAS005.79110000017-51-1JUL 09@PIT008.681023311015-90-0JUL 16ATL008.71113110009-63-0JUL 21SDN007.941120000021-122-1JUL 27@COL007.431241102241-252-2AUG 04MIL006.91110000006-41-2AUG 10@SDN006.6010.21000008-42-0AUG 18PIT006.19111000009-63-0AUG 20WAS006.6110.125102025-121-0AUG 21WAS005.891210000113-93-2005.891718.12716124610From this it would appear that he has as many decent starts as bad starts, which is about what you would expect from a back-of-the-pen guy. Of course, this info doesn't look at inherited runners to inherited runners scored, so it's lacking. Is the grass greener with a Heath Bell? If nothing else, I'd rather have Bell because we can train the young guys now on a team that I still don't think makes the playoffs.

From nymets.com]Randolph said that Jacobs' significant share of work at first base this season made him a little uneasy in using the 24-year-old rookie behind the plate, even though Jacobs has only caught and served as a designated hitter at Double-A since Aug. 4.