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That's kinda harsh, sorry. Back to high school.

If Tejeda don't get a hit tonight they should send him back. Not to the minors. I'm thinking back to the womb or something.

l8r

nevermind

Aug 20th(supplemental): Mecatchy

They do hook me up with the radio feed, and that's kinda kool. But it ain't right. IT AIN'T RIGHT I TELLS YA!

Willets Point wrote: Edgy DC wrote: MLB is pushing a synergistic marketing campaign where "Captain Morgan" will throwing out the first pitch at a game in each ballpark? Arrr....this is just so wrong. He should be throwing with a hook hand. Duh. Now that would make it totally acceptable to me.

He got one nice one in after the noogies on his skull cap. Love watching that clip. Ventura does look like he thought better of it and suddenly wanted to stop and talk things over but Ryan went all Manson on him :"YOUR IN MY CIRCLE! YOU COME INTO MY CIRCLE I'M GONNA FUCK YOU UP!"

Aug 20th: Meboom!

Why would I be blacked out on MLB.TV from tonight's telecast? I live in South Jersey. I have been getting the SNY feed since I joined the thing around Fathers day.

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: it's been going on all season. I don't think it's over the line. At least, no more than any of the other billion things mlb does these days in regards to advertising. Just cause MLB does it does not mean its the proper thing to do. For the right amount of $$ MLB will do anything, it seems. This is one of the things that's wrong with the game today, IMO. No, that boozeclown should not be throwing out first pitches. I'll proudly smell like an old fart right along with you Edgy. (for the most part I enjoy the commercials and the liquor) When was the last time the first pitch was treated as solely and honor and not a promotion? Jersey Shore cast? American Idol winners? Owners of key advertisers? All selling something. when was the last time "The Mets/Aramark's employee of the month" threw it out? I have no problem with first pitches being tied to promotions or celebrities. Or owners or politicians. With this Captain Morgan character? I laughed when I saw it (got an Email from MLB the other day) and shook my head and said oy. Its obvious there is no line if you have the money or the connections. I just don't find this instance proper. I'm sure there are many other places the good captain could go to get his publicity.

After the trade, after a bit of time, I thought of McReynolds as a quiet guy who may not fit in NY, but who put up more than adequate numbers his first 3 or 4 years here. I thought Bay would be that kind of player too. What I would give right now to have Bay posting McReynolds like numbers. Didn't see enough of Mitchell to think he would have done any better. Even with all Mitchell did afterward and that great year he had in '89 I never regretted that trade. From wiki: Later years A two-time All-Star with the Giants, later years saw his play decline due to an often indifferent attitude as well as various other distractions. Traded to the Mariners after the 1991 season, he arrived at spring training the following year 30 pounds (14 kg) overweight. He had a resurgence in 1994 with the Reds, batting .326 with 30 HRs and 77 RBI in just 310 at-bats in the strike-shortened season; but he opted to play for the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks in Japan the following year, where he became the highest-paid player in Japanese history.[citation needed] In Japan, he incurred the displeasure of team management when he chose to travel to the U.S. in mid-season for treatment of knee problems against the team's wishes. In the next two years, he played for four major league teams (Cincinnati, Boston, Cleveland, Oakland), rarely showing his former ability. Today, Mitchell lives in San Diego and plays in the San Diego Adult Baseball League for the championship team, the San Diego Black Sox, run by Mike Micheli. Mitchell is listed as one of California's top delinquent taxpayers, with a $5,184,641.51 debt from a lien filed on July 6, 2000. Arrests and suspension After being released for the last time, he was arrested in 1999 for assaulting his father during an argument.[4] Back in the minor leagues as manager of the Sonoma County Crushers in 2000, he was suspended for nine games after punching the opposing team's owner in the mouth during a brawl.[5] In 2010, Mitchell was arrested for alleged misdemeanor battery at the Bonita Golf Club in Bonita, California.[6] He is dating Wedo. Records In his 13-season career with eight teams, Mitchell batted .284, with 234 home runs, 760 runs batted in, 630 runs scored, 1,173 hits, 224 doubles and 25 triples in 1,223 games. Who the hell is Wedo?

Ceetar wrote: it's been going on all season. I don't think it's over the line. At least, no more than any of the other billion things mlb does these days in regards to advertising. Just cause MLB does it does not mean its the proper thing to do. For the right amount of $$ MLB will do anything, it seems. This is one of the things that's wrong with the game today, IMO. No, that boozeclown should not be throwing out first pitches. I'll proudly smell like an old fart right along with you Edgy. (for the most part I enjoy the commercials and the liquor)

Aug. 20th: Holy shit! I'm starting and batting cleanup! WOOT!

caaaaaaaaLASSIC!lmao

Bill Simmons wrote: My theory: I think he goes out of his way to sign them. I think he keeps a box of them in his car just in case anyone asks. I wouldn't rule out him throwing a "Ryan Beats the Crap Out of Ventura" autographed photo giveaway day when he takes over the Rangers. And eventually, I think Robin Ventura is going to snap, fly to Texas, show up at a Rangers game with his fists balled and say "All right, old man, you want a piece of me???" It's going to be like a scene from a bad '80s sports movie -- the downtrodden loser getting his revenge in the end -- but it's going to happen in our lifetimes. Robin Ventura and Nolan Ryan will fight again. You wait. lmao. Classic.

Those articles are clearly loaded with opinion disguised as fact. Clearly. He cites sources where people take issue with Cashen and then says that Wilpon is really the one who is being fingered. By facts I mean what happened. Who was hired. Who was fired. Etc. I am not interested in the mans personal opinions, which are pretty clearly laid out. Are you really buying this? I'm not buying anything. I'm reading up and making my own assessment. I've never really been a fan who was all into what the front office did. I was into the team on the field in front of me. I was aware that people behind the scenes put this team together. The team they put together was the team I followed. Pure and simple. I had nothing good or bad to say about the Mets front office until Grant let Seaver go. Peripherally I was aware of good Met GMs like Johnny Murphy and Frank Cashen but I just figured these were people who were very good at their jobs, nothing more. Frayed Knot wrote: In particular, the McReynolds/Mitchell trace - which has been mentioned as evidence of one of the destructive or at least meddling acts of the newly empowered Sir Fred of Wilponia - wasn't anything of the sort. I also liked McReynolds and thought that as a good move at the time. What happened in retrospect is simply what happened. I see no evidence that Wilpon being afraid of Mitchell was a fact. So I discount that.

Edgy DC wrote: Which specific facts are you referring to? Because if you look at the 1986-1987 offseason, the facts do not support the assertion that the Mets failed to win aother championship because Wilpon immediatedly insisted, after winning one, to remake the team by getting rid of the troublemakers. It doesnt' hold up. If you are talking to me: That's not my assertion. My assertion is that I think the team might have been in better hands had things gone the other way around, and Doubleday was left to run the team the way he was doing it up til '86, when Fred gained more control. And the facts are all the things in those articles that are in fact true, not spins or opinions. Things that happened. At this point in my readings the picture is incomplete. I must learn more. From Steve Phillips up to Minaya.

Edgy DC wrote: I do remember thinking it should have been caught. But I wasn't mad. And by rights I should have been, but I wasn't. I was sad. Because it did drive home the fact that Willie was no longer the flawless wonder that I grew up seeing. The thing is that he was never that flawless wonder. It's not really fair to him to compare him to that idealized image. He was probably the best centerfielder ever, but he had his slumps and mistakes and bad days too. You were just a kid and those days fell right through your filter. Some of you may have young children who admire David Wright now, and when they are 15 or 16 (or 21!) they may see Wright hitting .231 in his last year and think on this time as when he was flawless. We know that's not true. Yea, I was a kid and I didn't see Mays play on a day to day basis before he became a Met. I just saw the body of his work, mostly through baseball cards and whatnot, and I did look at him through those rose colored glasses. I did see Agee tho, and I saw his ups and downs pretty closely. Like all ball players he failed more than he succeeded, and I still held him way up high on a pedestal. All because of game 3 of the '69 WS he was a legend in my mind. And then every once in awhile he would do something, like that walkoff in that long extra inning game. (18 innings?22ininngs?I forget) I was at that game, right behind the plate cuz almost everyone had left and we all moved down. Cripes, my friends and I walked home through the park at like 2 in the morning. I wasn't proud of Agee like I was of Mays, because he was a true legend in everyones mind. But I loved Tommies style, his whole act. He never dogged it. He would loaf after easy flies moving like he was a 65 year old man and then get under it, tap that glove, always tapped the glove, and made the catch. But if it was a drive off the bat, a gapper, he would take off like a gazzelle, like Beltran in his prime. And when he came to the plate he would bend over and tap his bat on the plate like he was in pain or something. Slowly, swing out, tap the plate, swing back. He seemed to do everything slowly if he could. But he could turn it on at anytime and I thought this was such a kool guy. I remember Agee with much more detail than I do Willie Mays. These impressions are relative. I was in shock when they traded him. And then there was Willie. I'd feel the same way when I saw Tommie close up from field box or getting on the team bus, like I did with Mays. I see your point and its a very good one. But I would not change my attitude for anything in the world. And even when those two guys did wrong, they could do no wrong by me. This is just me though. This is the way I roll. If someone wants to say Willies days as a Met were a bad thing or a mistake or talk about them in any negative way, I don't think I'd debate it. Because that person honestly feels that way and the facts can back it up as they apply to that persons priorities. In my experience, for me and in my opinion, taking Willie Mays in at that time was one of the best things the Mets have ever done. Did I want to win the '73 WS? More than anything in the world. But we had Mays and Hahn and Mays was out there for that play and he couldn't make it. And that's the way the ball bounced. I wanted him so bad to have made that catch because I thought it would have been such a kool way for him to go out. No one would have remembered how he lost it in the sun, or ran a bad route to it. They would only have remembered that he made a huge diving catch in game 7 of the '73 WS. But he didn't lose the series. Mays played a very important role in game two with a 2 out RBI single in the 12th. That helped open the flood gates for 3 more runs and a Met win. I will note that upon hitting that ball up the middle, Mays almost fell down coming out of the batters box and I thought: You may have looked like an old man there but you did it! You came through! We out hit and outscored the A's. Reggie Jackson hit a crucial homer and also made an awesome catch off a liner by Grote. If that ball got by him, Jerry would still be running around the bases. It went right down to the wire. We were down 5-1 in game 7 and scored a run in the 9th and got the tying run to the plate. We had our chances. Sometimes that the way it goes in baseball. It's a wacky game.

Very interesting stuff in those articles. I wasn't as much interested in Healys spin as I was in the facts, and there are many mentioned. But I have to wonder if somebody types this stuff up for Healy like 5 minutes before lunch and is in a rush to get it done. How could a man in his position write that awful, lol? That's pretty wacky. From all the info I have read so far I do think a Walternate universe where Doubleday was not elbowed around by Wilpon would have made for a much different Met past, for some stretches better, for they surely could not have been worse. I do believe the Mets took a turn south when Fred took the reins and began pulling on them. In spite of that we (or he) did eventually field the great teams of 1999-2000 and that whole time with Steve Phillips as GM is not touched on here. If Healy is going to go there, he's got to keep going. This was written in 2009 and he has not brought the entire picture into focus. This article about McIlvane/out,Phillips/in was very interesting. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/17/sports/despite-a-dose-of-success-mets-replace-mcilvaine.html As was this one about Art Howe. And these two articles are written by people who know how to write and if someone types up their stuff for them they have them do it way before lunch. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/16/sports/baseball/16mets.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2 As Rorschach used to say : "...must investigate further." Hey, Mex and Edge, you guys should....I wanted to say get a room but that's not right. Whats the opposite of a room? You guys should get a big open field and each go to opposite sides of the field and turn your backs on each other.

wtf? How could you not get me 2 runs Mets? Im Buckethead, dammit!

Buckethead asks for 2 runs on one swing of the bat. please.