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Recently I'm reading up on the Nolan Ryan/Jim Fregosi trade. At Wikipedia I read this: Contrary to popular belief, Ryan never wanted to be traded from the Mets and felt betrayed by the team that drafted him. In Matthew Silverman's very kool book New York Mets 50 Amazin' Seasons I read this: Ryan had asked for a trade, mostly because his wife Ruth was frightened by New York, and Ryan worried about her when he was on the road. Which is correct?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Wow, thats the last one. Gj seawolf. I peeked at the UMDB and I still couldn't get it. You probably weren't peeking at the right page. http://leaptoad.com/mets/positions.php?Position=c Kool. Learn something new everyday. Im at UMDB all the time now to research for cards. I always go right to the year I'm working on. Never knew you could do that. That site is deep, man. Deeeep. Thnx Grimm

They don't have to spend 140 mill to pacify me. But they have to be able to afford to be on the north side of a 100million. If they can't, they can't afford the team. It's as simple as that. A few years ago I thought, well, give them a few years to get back to normal after the hit they took. This is the third. Three strikes & they're out. If they can't afford the team they should sell it.

Wow, thats the last one. Gj seawolf. I peeked at the UMDB and I still couldn't get it.

Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: 'most-disliked owners in professional sports" "Every fiber of my being" Pow!! Kool. You found bangpow!

When it comes to "no win" I'm talking in relation to the fans. Ceetar, so even people that support the Wilpons as owners think that they don't give a shit about the fans? Isn't that special. And I'm talking about now. In 2006 the Wilpons weren't in my doghouse. I had moved them to the outhouse at one point but they didn't make the doghouse until our payroll started to dwindle.

You have to think that they feel if they can bring a championship home it'll change everything with the fans. And I think a poll like Grimms would prove that it wouldn't. I wonder if the Wilpons knew that if they would just give up and sell. Even if the team wins they're in a no win scenario.

Too lazy to review. Has anyone mentioned Hundley?

I read this in the paper today. My thought coming away from it was that I don't think a championship will change peoples minds, or make people feel any differently, about the Wilpons. That's how bad a rep they have now with their fans. Some would say a World Series appearance and all would be forgiven. I don't think so.

If that's a hint someone did mention him.

Ohhhh!: You think I would have learned this just from doing the cards.

Ceetar wrote: Cyclones to host 2014 NYPL All-Stars http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140128&content_id=67206886&vkey=pr_&fext=.jsp&sid=milb What kind of ticket prices for Cyclones games? I have a feeling if I still lived up in NYC I'd be going to more Cyclone games than Met games. I enjoyed the A.C.Surf when they played here. They're like $10-25ish I think. So just a smidge cheaper than the Mets cheapest on cheap days, but generally half price for the average weekend game. Depends on the ease in which you can get to Coney Island I guess. I always mean to go but it's not really a convenient location for me. Plus the quality of play is much lower and 90% of the guys will never sniff the majors. Thanks Ceetar. It's true the quality of play is lower, but it's still the wonderful game of baseball.

Aside from the peek behind Ernie Banks that's ^ the best well lit, color photo I've seen of the fence being a lighter color, but so far can't confirm if this was from that period in '67. I don't think it was. I know it was also a light green color in '64, more like above. The '67 fence looks to be lighter on the Banks card & the B&W pics. Nolan wearing #34- that's kool. May have to unwatermark that one.

Kong76 wrote: Cyclones to host 2014 NYPL All-Stars http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140128&content_id=67206886&vkey=pr_&fext=.jsp&sid=milb What kind of ticket prices for Cyclones games? I have a feeling if I still lived up in NYC I'd be going to more Cyclone games than Met games. I enjoyed the A.C.Surf when they played here.

I don't like this business with no logo at all on the hat. That's a horrible call IMO. If they can't choose, or if they will just be doing that to players on more than one team, they should just have them hat-less. And Piazza should be another Met cap on that wall. If its a generic blank cap I'm gonna be pissed (worse if its a Dodger one). Just make it with no hat at all instead of no logo at all.

J.C. Martin

I think it'd make a great conference presentation to reveal the most dramatic changes that would occur in the historic record if records were adjusted to give credit to the guys actually managing affairs in the dugout over their superiors who were unavailable, absent, or ejected.Ejected would be difficult to assess. Suppose a team scores ten runs in the first inning, but the manager is ejected in the second. Who's responsible if the team wins? Did Earl Weaver get credit for the loss of game four of the 1969 series? He was tossed in the third, down by one, but the Orioles tied it in the 9th and Billy Hunter was managing when the ball hit J.C. Martin.* *Things I learned while looking up other things: People have speculated that if Weaver had been in the game, he would have protested that Martin had run inside the foul line and the umps would have called Martin out (That's nonsense, of course: the umpires would have ignored him since the rule was spottily enforced, they don't reverse their decisions in a World Series unless shoe polish is involved, and they were at Shea Stadium, with fans who were known to charge onto the field). Where was I? Oh, yes. Billy Hunter said that, from his vantage point in the dugout, he thought Martin was running correctly; Weaver would have had the same vantage point. Oh, and Weaver claimed the only word he said to umpire Shag Crawford -- and for which he was immediately tossed -- was "Shag." I read very recently that no one mentioned a word about the call at the time. Not a peep. I don't even think there was any speculation by the talking heads in the booth. The picture showing J.C. inside the line (from behind) was developed later that day. It was brought to the publics attention that night and in the Newspapers the following morning, and that's when the debate about that play began in earnest. Hard to say what Weavers vantage point would have been. He usually sat in the same place, or typically stood with a foot on the step, but would walk the dugout sometimes. I imagine during that play Weaver would have been on the edge of his seat or step paying attention, and, yes, if anyone would have seen JC stray off the baseline, it would have been him. OE: I didn't read it. I saw it in the NBC pregame chat before game 5 of the '69 WS on youtube.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: I'll have to go with black and red for a zillion, Bats. Howd'you figure that? It's a logical assumption based on the hues of grey in the photograph.

I'll have to go with black and red for a zillion, Bats.

Edgy MD wrote: Josh and Allyson Satin, honeymooning in Thailand. They must be hunting orange brimmed caps.

I can tell you that the stitch is stockinette; yarn is wool, mohair and vinyon.

^That would be Wilmer �Vinegar Bend� Mizell. Mizell pitched for the St. Louis Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the New York Mets before entering Congress, where he led the Republicans to victory six times in the annual Congressional Baseball Game. This quiz is for Batmags only: Who are these Met players and what's going on there? For one zillion extra points, name the two businessmen. That's Bosch, Stahl, Harrelson, Reynolds and Haddix. The execs are Bill Groome and W. Page Thompson, who are present in conjunction with the Woman's Day magazine Mets Sweater Promo of 1967. I have that picture. I was saving it for a rainy day. I'll give you a chance to get back the zillion points you owe me: What color is Larry Stahl's sweater. I owe you a clapper for Mizell, which I'll withhold until this business about the zillion points is resolved. Damn. A zillion points. I should have known you had that picture. Baaaaatmags! Is this a trick question? Now do you mean the color I'm seeing, or the actual color. Because I see black and like, dark gray, but that's a black and white photo. So the color I see or the actual color? Stalling for time while I google Larry Stahls sweater.

I had no idea what was going on here when I first saw this thread. lol

^That would be Wilmer �Vinegar Bend� Mizell. Mizell pitched for the St. Louis Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the New York Mets before entering Congress, where he led the Republicans to victory six times in the annual Congressional Baseball Game. This quiz is for Batmags only: Who are these Met players and what's going on there? For one zillion extra points, name the two businessmen.