Ceetar

HahnSolo wrote: Not one question on building your own staff, nor about Callaway. Nor payroll. I know Mickey is generally expected to be safe, but it's not out of line for someone to ask about the manager. But Puma got him to say he really likes Jacob deGrom!

Lefty Specialist wrote: Yeah, that's my biggest question. Why do this at all? Most potential candidates scurried like cockroaches in bright light when the Wilpons came calling. in fact, no one did. it's a great job, one of thirty. Running a baseball team is something few people get to do. it's a power trip. etc. People like to switch jobs, try new things, etc. Why NOT do this, if possible? I don't know his yearly income versus his new salary (4 years though!) but he's got a 2.2 million dollar house and is clearly already well off. Vic Sage wrote: No, hiring Brodie is not 'innovative'. It's different, and the Mets have been starved for different. They are not starved for "different," they are starved for "good", or even "competent." They got talked into buying a bottle of snake oil from a snake oil salesman. Excuse me if i don't give them the benefit of the doubt. yes, this is the circular logic thing. And the Mets have plenty of talented and competent people within the Mets, even if you think they're a standard deviation away from say Boston. Nor is there any evidence that Brodie has snake oil or is selling it. It's not bad just because the Mets did it.

Edgy MD wrote: Seems like circular logic (or Catch-22 logic, at least) to suggest that the Mets hired the wrong guy which is demonstrable because he was hired by the Mets. The horse was dead before they got here.

Centerfield wrote: I'm not criticizing the Mets for "not being innovative enough". I don't need the Mets to be innovative. I just want them to be good. Understand what I am saying. Right now, the best teams in baseball have given us a blueprint on how to do it. Spending money, analytics, tear down rebuilds, there are ways to win. I am totally fine with the Mets following these paths to success. Hiring Chaim Bloom would have been a great first step towards that. Do what other successful clubs do. The Mets chose not to do that. They went in a different direction. Advocates of this direction are calling it "innovative". Is it? Innovative means that there is a new way of thinking. New ideas, new techniques. If this is the case, we haven't seen any of this yet. You can't call it innovative, until you see the new line of thinking. Moneyball? Innovative. Advanced stats? Innovative. "Fuck, I'm lost. Let's just hire the agent." NOT INNOVATIVE. Not you, Roth/Deadspin, was criticizing them for that. There's no blueprint for success because there are so many other factors all the way down the organization, all the way to, and this is the main bit, the players. What works in one place does not work in others, because you can't perfectly replicate things like your drafts working out the way theirs did, or the same players being both available and continuing to be as good. It's a volatile sport. Simple mimicry frequently fails because you often end up only mimicking the outer shell. No, hiring Brodie is not 'innovative'. It's different, and the Mets have been starved for different.

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: 41Forever wrote: They must have seen something that they liked better. Remember, these are traditionalists. To go outside the box they must have been blown away by something. I’d love for them to tell us today what it was. And hopefully this is the last time we hear from them for a while. I'm in batmag's Camp Charlie Brown Football Kick. Not expecting anything worthwhile from this afternoon's snorefest, unless of course they want divulge why they passed on the likes of Ng and Bloom. Assclowns. At the very least we should get some of a feel of how Brodie operates/thinks. the basis of it anyway. As much as I would've loved the Mets to find an up and coming minority or woman or other such underrepresented group and give them a chance, I think it's fairly misguided to criticize them for not being 'innovative enough'. This guy was one of the top 2 agents in the game. It's easy to say he played nice with Jeff, but he's at the top of the damn field legitimately. This isn't a "We need a trainer and know a trainer from Michigan and let's hire him" situation.

41Forever wrote: They must have seen something that they liked better. Remember, these are traditionalists. To go outside the box they must have been blown away by something. I’d love for them to tell us today what it was. And hopefully this is the last time we hear from them for a while.

I don't think the error bars for 'could be great/could be terrible' are really that much different for BVW or Bloom or Ng or really anyone they interviewed. And I mean, yes, the Wilpons are privy to a ton of information we don't know about these people. I mean, it's in large part an 'idea' job, and they had hours of conversation about what to do.

Sure. There's almost definitely some of that. Of course they passed up a guy named Chaim. I reject this 'baseball lifer' stuff that only people that have been GMs before are good GMs going forward.

Exit Velocity and spin rate didn't exist 5 years ago. There's a lot of lavish praise for Bloom, and it's hard to say if any of it's deserved just because he was 'around'. Maybe he's simply good with the tools Tampa Bay presented him, whether it's an already built in system of scouts or analytics or other information sources. Maybe he presented himself as bland and uninteresting and didn't seem to have an obvious plan. Simply having worked for one mildly successful organization and that organization having success is not the same thing as him being the stand out best choice to run a team. And it's not like Van Wagenen was working on Wall Street or something. You think he has no idea what it means to build a team? Every damn season he looks at 30 teams, identifies holes and weaknesses and sells pieces that fit those holes and weaknesses. Now he gets to focus on one.

meh, fuck Olney. Let him whine if he wants to whine. It's not Do Man's job to appease the media and smooth talking them now will only work for a bit. I don't know how much he'll say about his actual plan. But It'd be nice if he gave us a little more than rhetoric about signing the right guys and good fits and big players and all that.

Have you looked up the definition of 'fan' lately?

I'm no even reading. you're copy and pasting the same stuff. If you really think nothing has/will change, stop posting here? What's whining about it to us going to do? If you don't, for example, think Brodie will sign Manny Machado, that's fine, but you don't need to spam every other post about it with the same thing while those of us that want to discuss the possibility do so. You've got a billion threads for the Wilpon/Finances/conspiracy theory stuff.

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batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's gonna be the plan where everybody has a career year and free agent signee Andrew McCutchen returns to his MVP form of five, six years ago. Jeff Wilpon will hinder this guy in ways that we'll never truly get to know because that's who Jeff Wilpon is and in the end, BVW will leave in disappointment and gross underachievement while Jeff Wilpon blames him for everything under the sun that went wrong, all the while claiming that BVW could have increased the piddling payroll to any level he wanted to. BVW won't refute Jeff because NDA's and because BVW will want to continue working in the industry. Charlie Brown football kick. As if it matters who the Mets new GM is. Fuck off with this garbage take. you're a broken record and have no new or interesting reason to keep copy and pasting this. You believe that, as do many. That's fine, whatever. It's not helpful, we're trying to have a conversation about Do Man here.

Here's Brodie with Kesti Aysseh, Brandi Maniscalco, and Anthony Maniscalco at the DOMUS Gala Beachside Clambake

Molly and Brodie and the DOMUS annual spring gala

Also looks like he deleted his Twitter.

I would definitely like to hear his take on analytics. I would like him to see him employ more/better analytics people, presuming it is understaffed, and find/hire better/more scouts and analytics and trainers down the line. nutrition experts, etc. I don't know that the #MetsBeat is going to really ask him these questions of course, so it'll be murky. fat-shaming Mike Puma already intends to try to hold his feet to the fire on some random deGrom quote he had last year.

Mex17 wrote: If deGrom and/or Syndergaard hire Boras before we all sit down for turkey, should we worry then? Is either shopping for a new agent?

the ONLY factor that people are complaining about (granted, because we don't know) is "Hasn't been in a front office" Big freaking whoop. There's no chance that's more than a negligible handicap and at worst that handicap lasts a year.

I haven't read the eight pages of backlog on this, but I'm excited by Van Wagenen. It's interesting and out of the box a little bit. I have no doubt he can do the job, especially given there's plenty of experience around to lean on for the day to day "hey, waiver day coming up!" stuff that maybe wasn't on his radar before. I do enjoy all the panic and complaining from guys like Buster Olney who presumably don't have as many sources or connections to someone from 'the other side'.

Can I wait until the GM at least speaks once?

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Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Or maybe the managers will start throwing baseballs at each other. That would be cool too. It'd have to be like when Goalies fight in NHL. they gesture from the dugout, and then they come out to the on-deck circles and try to bean each other.

Frayed Knot wrote: But it is quite possible that long lasting gentleman's agreement of sorts about announcing your starters at the beginning of each series will slowly start to break down. Or maybe the managers will start throwing baseballs at each other.